FAA Investigates American Flyers

Kevin McCue wrote:
They have ATM's where you can get cash to
feed the pumps.

At a buck and a half a transaction fee.

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Kevin McCue wrote:
They have ATM's where you can get cash to
feed the pumps.

At a buck and a half a transaction fee.

Of course, not an issue if you have a bank that rebates the ATM charges.

Ron Natalie wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message news:E4dqb.115094$e01.418574@attbi_s02...


Kevin McCue wrote:
They have ATM's where you can get cash to

feed the pumps.

At a buck and a half a transaction fee.


Of course, not an issue if you have a bank that rebates the ATM charges.


Must be an eastern thing, never heard of that.

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Must be an eastern thing, never heard of that.

Actually, it's an "internet bank" thing. Since these have no brick and mortar branches (and
hence ATM's), they will generally credit you the charges back for whatever ones you do use.

In article , Roy Smith wrote:
When I paid my bill, I was astounded when they tacked on a few extra
bucks to cover credit card transaction fees! It wasn't a whole lot of
money, but I've never heard of anybody ever doing anything like that.
I didn't even think it was legal.

It's done but not a common practice. The University of Washington
(where I'm a student) charges $4 processing fees for payments below $250
and a $20+ (forget exact amount) fee for credit card payments above that.
Most busniess eat the fees (ie. pass it along in hidden costs) for
processing and eqp. Some don't. It's crap either way thou...

In article ,
When Debit cards came out a few years back, many merchants were charging
about 25 cents for DEBIT transactions until it was widely pointed out that a
debit transaction cost much less (one cent) than processing a paper check.

The AM/PM gas stations (ARCO) around here kept the practice in place for
about two years after the other merchants went to doing it free. I stopped
going to those stations and don't know if they STILL do it.

I've always wondered why I can use my debit card w/o a service charge
any place EXCEPT a bank I can even get cash back, but there's no extra
fee. But if I go to a cash machine...

Compass Bank in AZ will rebate any bank's ATM fees.

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Although I understand your frustration, I would throw in the towel and
get with the credit cards. Cash is going to be obsolete and so are
checks. Credit card and wire transfer are going to be King. It's just
the way it is, more convenient, faster for everyone. Your customer
loves them. It's what is happening.

"Kevin McCue" wrote in message ...
There was just a class action settlement on check/debit cards. The
merchants "won" (acutally the lawyers got money) the merchants can now stop
taking those Visa/Mastercard debit/check cards. ARCO stations get around it
by not taking credit cards at all. They have ATM's where you can get cash to
feed the pumps.
As for my business, we take cards. When asked if we take credit cards,
our response is, "We prefer cash or check." I have made a few sales that
entered "negotiations" (aka Let's make a deal). When I have given a
discounted price I have insisted on cash or check. I'm sure you all like to
get paid 100% of what you have worked for, Merchants are no exception.

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Doug wrote:

Although I understand your frustration, I would throw in the towel and
get with the credit cards. Cash is going to be obsolete and so are
checks. Credit card and wire transfer are going to be King. It's just
the way it is, more convenient, faster for everyone. Your customer
loves them. It's what is happening.


Just like that 'paperless office' we keep hearing about, while
simultaneously being buried under an ever increasing avalanche of it?
Pardon the pun, but I don't buy it. g
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Roy

On many occasions I find that the seller sticks on the cost of getting
their money from the credit card companies.

Others just eat this service charge or adjust their price to include.
Normally runs a few % points but in long run adds up to a lot of money
especially if they are pricing with minimum profit (low markup).

American Express seems to be the most expensive and you will find many
firms not accepting AE credit cards for this reason..

Big John


On 4 Nov 2003 11:38:52 -0500, (Roy Smith) wrote:

Maule Driver wrote:
Everything about American Flyers smelled like "produce revenue while
providing the absolute mininum in service and value".

I only have one experience with AF. They took over the flight school
ops from Westair at White Plains a couple of years ago (I'm not sure
why, but I suspect what was going on was the airport squezed Westair
on rent when they tore down Westair's old building and put up a fancy
new one). I took a couple of hours of in their simulator.

When I paid my bill, I was astounded when they tacked on a few extra
bucks to cover credit card transaction fees! It wasn't a whole lot of
money, but I've never heard of anybody ever doing anything like that.
I didn't even think it was legal.