Flying Freight / Cargo for hire???

I'm a commercial pilot and have been asked by several people if I could
bring things over for them.... tires for a business, etc....
you know, just stuff.....
I cant find anything in the regs about freight or cargo ops for commercial
pilots, just operators.....

Thanks, Mark

"Mark S Conway" wrote

I'm a commercial pilot and have been asked by several people
if I could bring things over for them....

Over where???

I cant find anything in the regs about freight or cargo ops
for commercial pilots, just operators.....

Might lead one to think that you need to be a commercial operator.

Part 119 probably answers your questiopns.

Bob Moore

Mark

Had a tour in Panama (USAF) and we would have a bird go AOCP (Acronym
for "Aircraft Out of Commission for Part) someplace down country. We'd
get on the radio (SSB) and tell the organization at Albrook AFB, CZ,
and they would take the part out to Tucuman (Civilian Airport for
Panama City) and give to a Commercial Airline Pilot coming our way and
they would carry in cockpit and hand off to us at BA or Lima or some
other place where we were stranded.

Think the airlines helped each other the same way if they had a bird
AOCP.

These parts did not go through customs so no 2-3 day delay getting to
broke bird.

Big John


On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:14:10 GMT, "Mark S Conway"
wrote:

I'm a commercial pilot and have been asked by several people if I could
bring things over for them.... tires for a business, etc....
you know, just stuff.....
I cant find anything in the regs about freight or cargo ops for commercial
pilots, just operators.....

Thanks, Mark

"Big John" wrote in message

.....give to a Commercial Airline Pilot coming our way and
they would carry in cockpit and hand off to us

We used to do that also, up to a point. You couldn't be too blatant about
things. I used to regularly carry personal stuff back and forth to Sydney
for a family in my town whose daughter was doing one year there in college.
We carried a new inflatable to a guy in Pago Pago.

Mark,

Take a look at Part 135. If you are getting any compensation for it,
whatsoever, it's a commercial operation. All of the freight haulers
are operating as commercial operators under 135, 121 or one of the
other applicable parts, not 91.

All the best,
Rick

"Mark S Conway" wrote in message news:RwyVb.252706$xy6.1317027@attbi_s02...
I'm a commercial pilot and have been asked by several people if I could
bring things over for them.... tires for a business, etc....
you know, just stuff.....
I cant find anything in the regs about freight or cargo ops for commercial
pilots, just operators.....

Thanks, Mark

"Mark S Conway" wrote in message news:RwyVb.252706$xy6.1317027@attbi_s02...
I'm a commercial pilot and have been asked by several people if I could
bring things over for them.... tires for a business, etc....
you know, just stuff.....
I cant find anything in the regs about freight or cargo ops for commercial
pilots, just operators.....

Thanks, Mark

well, it depends on what you call "bring things over" (need more
information). If you operate a schedualed service then you would be
"holding yourself out" for hire and then you would be operating under
a different FAR. However, if this service is non-regular and you don't
provide the airplane, then you might be able to do this. (make sure
you seperate yourself from the airplane. As in, the person who "hired"
you writes one check for the airplane and one check for your time) I
would suggest (strongly suggest!!) that you contact your local FSDO
and let them know what you want to do, they will be willing to work
with you and let you know what you need to do to make this legal.

The reason you can't find this under the "normal" FARs is a Commercial
pilot is limited in what they can do (mainly Flight instruction (if
CFI), banner towing, crop dusting, sight seeing to name a few). They
don't want some yahoo who just got his Commercial license setting up
his own airline. That's why they have the 121 section of the regs.
Oh, for the most part the FAA don't care if your carrying Tires,
Apples or People. Just make sure your "stuff" is legal. ;-)

"Mark" wrote in message om...

well, it depends on what you call "bring things over" (need more
information). If you operate a schedualed service then you would be
"holding yourself out" for hire and then you would be operating under
a different FAR.

Scheduled service isn't the determining factor. The question is whether
you are operating as a common carrier (will generally take shipments from
the public) or as a contract carrier (people you have a specific and limited
arrangement with). It's a real dicey subject and the FAA always leans towards
making things common carriage (commercial operators).

"Mark S Conway" wrote in message news:RwyVb.252706$xy6.1317027@attbi_s02...
I'm a commercial pilot and have been asked by several people if I could
bring things over for them.... tires for a business, etc....
you know, just stuff.....
I cant find anything in the regs about freight or cargo ops for commercial
pilots, just operators.....

Its best to write (not talk) to the local FSDO. They're the ones that
are likely to be deciding if it is right or wrong after the fact, so
you might want their opinion beforehand. Having it in writing will be
helpful. There is a guy here in Sacramento that goes up and takes
pictures of property and sells them to developers. He only has a
private pilot's certificate but the local FSDO wrote him and said he's
fine as a private.

-Robert

Interesting thread. What if you were flying your own freight? i.e. you were
in the import business and flew your DC-6 over to China a couple times a
week to pick up products you intended to sell here? I would assume that it
would still fall under part 121.


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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"Mark S Conway" wrote in message
news:RwyVb.252706$xy6.1317027@attbi_s02...
I'm a commercial pilot and have been asked by several people if I could
bring things over for them.... tires for a business, etc....
you know, just stuff.....
I cant find anything in the regs about freight or cargo ops for
commercial
pilots, just operators.....

Its best to write (not talk) to the local FSDO. They're the ones that
are likely to be deciding if it is right or wrong after the fact, so
you might want their opinion beforehand. Having it in writing will be
helpful. There is a guy here in Sacramento that goes up and takes
pictures of property and sells them to developers. He only has a
private pilot's certificate but the local FSDO wrote him and said he's
fine as a private.

-Robert

"Mark S Conway" wrote in message

I'm a commercial pilot and have been asked by several people if I could
bring things over for them....

Clarify, please. When you say "...I'm a commercial pilot...", do you mean
that you are employed as a pilot for an airline or other commercial
operator, or do you only mean to say that you hold a Commercial Certificate?

JG