Whew!

Unfortunately, the action is so barbaric that I nearly barfed.
(Example: A ten minute scene with Jesus being whipped -- nearly to
death -- with fishhook-laden whips. If you want to see a human have
his skin torn off in slow, graphic detail -- front AND back -- this
is the movie for you.)

Lol - Reminds me of "Itchy and Scratchy" sub-cartoon of The Simpsons where
they take blood and gore to ridiculous proportions - mainly as a jab at the
desensitization of the American public (they always show the kids laughing
hysterically at the cat's ultimate demise).

Keep in mind the only goal of this movie is to make money, and exploitation
films are very profitable. The question is: what or who is being exploited?

On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 03:50:02 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Just visited "alt.religion" for the first time (after taking the kids to see
"The Passion of the Christ" this evening. Tip of the Day: Don't waste your
money -- we ended up walking out mid-way through. This movie makes
"Scarface" look like a Disney flick...), and what a bizarre walk on the Dark
Side THAT was!

After ten minutes of lurking in that group, I started to feel unclean and
began pining for "home" amongst you guys and gals.

Man, their fights make ours look like the polite discussions they really
are... Thank you, all, for being voices of sanity amongst the rabble.

Getting religion after a life of sin is the first sign of insanity.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Doze people over dere be CRAZY!

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:42:51 -0500, "Dennis O'Connor"
wrote:

You simply demonstrated that you are capable of rational thought...
And, I was not able to get past the opening of Saving Private Ryan, so I
have not seen it either obviously... During the holidays, my family was
upstairs with the big screen TV and the Sorround Sound shaking the house as
they watched it... I went out to the shop and tinkered with the RV7...
Actually, I'm not big on cinema fantasy in any event... I think the last
movie I watched in it's entirety was when the original Star Wars screened,
so as usual I am the odd man out - though I did manage almost half of Batman
recently, before I got bored and wandered downstairs to watch the cat chase
her tail...
denny

For me it's strictly escapist stuff. Sci-fi, fantasy, and wellll...
some documentaries. I've never even seen a so called "reality show"
and rarely even bother to turn on the local network affiliates.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Jay Honeck" wrote
The movie is quite disturbing, IMHO. It takes a lot to make me ill, and I
can't remember the last movie I walked out of before the end -- but this
movie managed to get me to do both.

Damian writes:

On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 14:52:13 GMT, "Jay Honeck" wrote:


That was a good flick.

Unless you'd actually read the books by Patrick O'Brian (the Far Side
of the World is number 10 of 20) - arguably the finest fiction of the
Royal Navy in the Napoleonic period, when you'd realise the film was a
pale imitation of the books. Go find them - they are absolutely
excellent. The first volume is Master and Commander.
I'm not knocking the film, or your enjoyment, just saying if you
enjoyed that, you'd love the books even more.

As always with movies made from the book, the movie is just a pale
imitation. However, for people who like to *see* things it has quite
a lot to see -- some rather nice footage of the ship sailing through a
storm, firing the big guns, and the confusion of a boarding action
come to mind as particularly well done.

Great books, certainly.
--
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"Dan Luke" writes:

"Damian" wrote:

That was a good flick.

Unless you'd actually read the books by Patrick O'Brian
(the Far Side of the World is number 10 of 20) - arguably
the finest fiction of the Royal Navy in the Napoleonic
period, when you'd realise the film was a pale imitation
of the books. Go find them - they are absolutely
excellent.

Amen. Easily the most entertaining, absorbing fiction I've ever read.
Not just for the thrilling sea action but also for the wonderful
insights into early 19th century life. They're funny, too. O'Brian was a
great writer - sad he's gone.

Warning: these books are utterly addicting, and there are 20 (?) of
them.

Yep, 20 of the Aubrey-Maturin books. (There are some other O'Brian
books, but they're not part of the series and not very similar.)

When you run out of that there's always Dudley Pope, and
C.S. Forrester, and even Alexander Kent if you're really desperate (I
never made it all the way through the Kent books). And David
Donachie, and Walter Jon Williams, and lots of other people. It's
interesting to see the different research coming out :-).
--
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message

......(after taking the kids to see
"The Passion of the Christ" this evening.

What on earth would have induced you to take kids to that movie? Have you
been unaware of the controversy?

Oddly, the controversy seems to have centered on whether the movie is
anti-Semitic, not its violence. Since the only people who consider the movie
to be anti-Semitic are a bunch of intransigent hotheads who think any
mention of the crucifixion of Jesus is anti-Semitic, many people felt that
it was reasonable to ignore such extremist views.

Seriously, the only way that the ADL would not have been offended is if Mel
Gibson had depicted Christ as dying of appendicitis despite the heroic
efforts of his rabbinical doctors.

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint.
She's a much better person than I am. Honestly. She's,
like, Episcopalian, Church of England. She prays, she
believes in God, she knows Jesus, she believes in that
stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't make it;
she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."

That's creepy.

No. Mel Gibson does not feel like arguing with God. However, he has been
misinformed as to what God's opinion is. :-)

"cn8cg" wrote in message ...
Religious nut stuff.



As opposed to anti-religious nuts, I suppose. Frankly, the supposedly
non-religious appear to be every bit as dangerous and bigoted as the very
devout.

In article puT1c.461993$I06.5242721@attbi_s01, Jay Honeck
wrote:

The movie is quite disturbing, IMHO. It takes a lot to make me ill, and I
can't remember the last movie I walked out of before the end -- but this
movie managed to get me to do both. Why it isn't rated NC-17, I have no
clue.

That's what this country has turned into. Unspeakable violence gets an
R-rating, but one flash of frontal nudity merits an immediate NC-17.
With all this talk about "desensitizing" kids to violence, which one
would you rather have then see as a teenager?


Here's a clip from the last paragraph of Roger Ebert's review of
/Passion/ :

==
Note: I said the film is the most violent I have ever seen. It will
probably be the most violent you have ever seen. This is not a
criticism but an observation; the film is unsuitable for younger
viewers, but works powerfully for those who can endure it. The MPAA's R
rating is definitive proof that the organization either will never give
the NC-17 rating for violence alone, or was intimidated by the subject
matter. If it had been anyone other than Jesus up on that cross, I have
a feeling that NC-17 would have been automatic.
==

Interesting.

--
Garner R. Miller
ATP/CFII/MEI
Manchester, CT =USA=

Tony Cox wrote:

"Cecil E. Chapman" wrote in message
om...
If Christ was born in the time and place that the Bible(s) claim, then
he
would have been a bit over 5 feet tall, have dark brown to nearly black
skin, and be of distinctly non Caucasian visage...

Oh come on! Don't ya know he looked like Ted Nuggent?,,,,

Funny, I always think of Paul Rubin (Peewee Herman). Oh well,
to each his own...

Unlikely. A carpenter in that period would be a very muscular man, though not
in the way body builders are. And someone a bit over 5 feet tall would be
about the same height as everyone else, so, unless you're going to photograph
the actor standing beside a yardstick, it doesn't matter how tall the actor
actually is as long as he's about the same height as the other guys in the
picture. In this day and age, anything from 5'9" to 6' would do. Dennis is,
of course, absolutely correct about the complexion, but Christ hasn't been
portrayed correctly since about 300 AD (if then).

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.