pan pan pan

What about SECURITE (tay) SECURITE?

I've heard that being used in the marine world, but I don't think it's
covered in the UK flight R/T syllabus. I suppose it might have a use in
a broadcast warning of severe weather?

I don't think it's that serious. Mariners use it for example when
backing a large boat out into the channel, where the skipper can't see
the channel himself. He goes SECURITAY SECURITAY with a brief
description of what he's doing, as a courtesy to any boat that may be
coming along.

The equivalent for a pilot would be to announce he's crossing the
runway. Personally, I just say "Zero Six is crossing the runway."
Airmen make a lot more radio calls than mariners do, at least at
non-towered fields. Most every call in the pattern or on the ground is
a Securite call, so there wouldn't be much point in prefacing it with
a warning.


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Andrea da lontano wrote:

I actually did use it once when flying over Oregon a few years ago I spotted
a wildfire spreading out in a inhabited area.

Little note on the origins of PAN PAN PAN and MAY DAY.
Both terms come from the French Language (yes, that's true).

1) PAN comes from the French PANNE, which means "failure", "problem"
2) MAY DAY comes from the French "M'aider", thta you actually pronounce as
Mayday and which means "Help Me"

That can't be true about MAY DAY. That would be horrible French, and it
doesn't make much sense at all. Aidez-moi (or aides-moi) would be "Help me."

Sorry Natalie to insist, but this is absolutely true.
I live in Paris since 1989 and I can assure you this makes sense in French
language.
"Mayday" is definitely the Americanized spelling of "m'aidez" or "m'aider".
(French for "help me!").
I am sure that a quick Google will confirm this.

Bonne Journée!
;-))

Andrea




"Natalie" ha scritto nel messaggio
...


Andrea da lontano wrote:

I actually did use it once when flying over Oregon a few years ago I
spotted
a wildfire spreading out in a inhabited area.

Little note on the origins of PAN PAN PAN and MAY DAY.
Both terms come from the French Language (yes, that's true).

1) PAN comes from the French PANNE, which means "failure", "problem"
2) MAY DAY comes from the French "M'aider", thta you actually pronounce
as
Mayday and which means "Help Me"

That can't be true about MAY DAY. That would be horrible French, and it
doesn't make much sense at all. Aidez-moi (or aides-moi) would be "Help
me."

On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:13:52 -0400, Natalie wrote:

That can't be true about MAY DAY. That would be horrible French, and it
doesn't make much sense at all. Aidez-moi (or aides-moi) would be "Help me."

M'aidez is the usual rendering.

I assume it's good or at least acceptable French, because I find this
in a French-language site: "pouvez vous m'aidez SVP??". ("Can you
help me, please?")


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Cub Driver wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:13:52 -0400, Natalie wrote:

M'aidez is the usual rendering.

I assume it's good or at least acceptable French, because I find this
in a French-language site: "pouvez vous m'aidez SVP??". ("Can you
help me, please?")

As a matter of fact, in that sentence the infinitive of the main verb would
be called for again: "Pouvez vous m'aider?" :-)


Greetings,
Markus

"Andrea da lontano" wrote in message
...
Sorry Natalie to insist, but this is absolutely true.
I live in Paris since 1989 and I can assure you this makes sense in French
language.
"Mayday" is definitely the Americanized spelling of "m'aidez" or
"m'aider".
(French for "help me!").
I am sure that a quick Google will confirm this.

Bonne Journée!
;-))

Andrea

Its short for m'aidez vous? Will you help me?

Andrea da lontano wrote:

Sorry Natalie to insist, but this is absolutely true.
I live in Paris since 1989 and I can assure you this makes sense in French
language.
"Mayday" is definitely the Americanized spelling of "m'aidez" or "m'aider".
(French for "help me!").
I am sure that a quick Google will confirm this.

Bonne Journée!
;-))

Andrea

"Natalie" ha scritto nel messaggio
...


Andrea da lontano wrote:

I actually did use it once when flying over Oregon a few years ago I
spotted
a wildfire spreading out in a inhabited area.

Little note on the origins of PAN PAN PAN and MAY DAY.
Both terms come from the French Language (yes, that's true).

1) PAN comes from the French PANNE, which means "failure", "problem"
2) MAY DAY comes from the French "M'aider", thta you actually pronounce
as
Mayday and which means "Help Me"

That can't be true about MAY DAY. That would be horrible French, and it
doesn't make much sense at all. Aidez-moi (or aides-moi) would be "Help
me."


"Help me" is imperative in both English and French. In French, it would be
written as "aidez-moi" m'aidez would mean help (me) in the context of a larger
sentence, but it isn't what you would say in lieu of just "Help me!" A
french grammar book of your choice can confirm this for you.

Cub Driver wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:13:52 -0400, Natalie wrote:

That can't be true about MAY DAY. That would be horrible French, and it
doesn't make much sense at all. Aidez-moi (or aides-moi) would be "Help me."

M'aidez is the usual rendering.

I assume it's good or at least acceptable French, because I find this
in a French-language site: "pouvez vous m'aidez SVP??". ("Can you
help me, please?")

That is certainly a correct statement as a whole, but that does not mean just "help
me!", which would be an imperative form, or "aidez-moi" in french.

"Natalie" wrote in message
...
"Help me" is imperative in both English and French. In French, it would be
written as "aidez-moi" m'aidez would mean help (me) in the context of a
larger
sentence, but it isn't what you would say in lieu of just "Help me!" A
french grammar book of your choice can confirm this for you.

What's your point?

It's well established what the origin of the call "mayday" is. Your
"argument" that it's poor grammar might be valid, except that since the word
was extracted from a larger sentence, even the grammar complaint really has
no basis. Your original claim that Andrea's description of the origin of
"mayday" was false is itself absolutely wrong regardless of what you think
about the grammar.

Pete

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:42:21 -0400, Natalie wrote:

"Help me" is imperative in both English and French. In French, it would be
written as "aidez-moi" m'aidez would mean help (me) in the context of a larger
sentence, but it isn't what you would say in lieu of just "Help me!" A
french grammar book of your choice can confirm this for you.

Nevertheless, "mayday" comes from the French, as do the other two
international marine distress calls, pan-pan and securite.

My Webster's Collegiate says the origin is "m'aider" and dates the
call to 1927.

Perhaps they were standardized by a British commission with an
imperfect knowledge of French?

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