Yet another reason to Hate AOL

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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(And, BTW: It's ALWAYS feasible to complain about lousy service... ;-)
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Where AOL is concerned it is more efficient for one to go directly to
banging one's head against the wall.

(And, BTW: It's ALWAYS feasible to complain about lousy service... ;-)
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Where AOL is concerned it is more efficient for one to go directly to
banging one's head against the wall.


Basically, that's what I meant . . . AOL is so huge that a complaint has little
or no effect--other than venting, perhaps.

I take the line of least resistance when possible.


www.Rosspilot.com

Basically, that's what I meant . . . AOL is so huge that a complaint has
little
or no effect--other than venting, perhaps.

I take the line of least resistance when possible.

Ah, good point. Some things are just not worth getting worked up about.

I've recently spent many, many unproductive hours working with Qwest,
getting DSL installed at the hotel. It has been a thoroughly frustrating
affair, involving several Qwest technicians (none of whom seem to agree with
each other), several departments within Qwest, and a series of unforeseen
problems with integrating DSL into our telephone console switchboard.

All this just so I could tell Mediacom (the cable modem people) to take a
hike! Life is too short...

So, now we've got BOTH DSL *and* cable modems running on wireless networks
throughout the hotel. MAYBE this set-up will provide the stability that our
guests deserve -- but I doubt it.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Dima Volodin" wrote in message
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In fact, it does.

In fact, it does not.

The addresses in the BCC field (in fact, there's no
such thing, and it's only your mailing program like Outlook that knows
anything about this field; the addresses go to what's known as "the
envelope") are usually visible to 1) your provider's server and 2) your
addressees' providers' servers.

Unless your provider's server connects directly to your addressee's servers,
they are NOT the only servers to whom the bcc field is visible. It's
visible to ANY server that the data is passed along.

You can use tracert to get a pretty good idea of how many servers also get
to look at the data. It's almost never just your server and the recipient's
server. Nearly all of the time, a spammer's server is not in the middle.
But there's no way to guarantee that one's not, and it DOES happen that one
is now and then.

Again, I assume that's what Edward was referring to in his post.

Pete

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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You can use tracert to get a pretty good idea of how many servers also
get
to look at the data.

really? *woaahh*

Not sure what your point is. Your own test shows 20 hops from your server
to mine. Of course there are duplicate server owners, but any server in the
chain sees the data being passed along.

You're just proving my point. Internet communications are almost never
point-to-point. It's naive to assume that spammers don't own their own
servers that could be used to transfer email from one end point to another.

Pete

(And, BTW: It's ALWAYS feasible to complain about lousy service... ;-)

Feasible, perhaps, but often pointless. The best way to deal with AOL
is to switch to a real ISP.

AOL users are loath to do this because they evidently can't access
their addressbooks in order to transfer them to a real email software.
A couple of my friends have sent out these pathetic emails from their
AOL addresses, asking me to respond to their new addresses, so they
can add me back. I could never see a reason why I should manually
create an address just so that the guy on the other end wouldn't have
to do so.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! weblog www.vivabush.org

The best way to deal with AOL
is to switch to a real ISP.

Dan,
Your hatred of AOL is evident and on the record. But I dispute your
charactarization that somehow it isn't a REAL ISP, and your provincial attitude
about it is most annoying, because implicit in your commentary is a put-down of
AOL users as somehow less sophisticated or knowledgeable. I resent that.

AOL is not my only portal to the Internet. I have Optimum Online, and
Netscape, Opera, and of course Explorer.

I have built a business identity and invested 9 years in the continuous (and
trademarked) screenname usage. I do not wish to give it up, and doing so
is completely unnecessary, and presents a host of problems with thousands of
correspondents, clients, customers, family, etc.

I lose NOTHING by virtue of maintaining an AOL account (except $14.95/month).



www.Rosspilot.com

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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yeah ... my routers sure have nothing better to do than filtering out
email
addresses

Are you telling me you're a spammer? If not, then what's the relevance of
your statement? Of course YOUR routers have nothing better to do.

spammers mostly use the infrastructure from others (trojan horses etc.)

So? Not all do.

Pete

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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Are you telling me you're a spammer? If not, then what's the relevance
of
your statement? Of course YOUR routers have nothing better to do.


sic!

Change "nothing" to "something". You ought to be able to get the point,
regardless.

so now you have set up a wireless network throughout the hotel?

Yep. We've had it since 2002.

what does one
need to use it?

Knowledge. Occasionally my help.

Do you provide the wireless cards?

Upon request.

what standard? 802.11b?

802.11g

Do you charge for it?

Nope.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"