Adventures in TSA land

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 02:00:29 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

"Roger" wrote in message
.. .
No, that one is true. Kerry claims to be a hunter and pro gun rights,
but his voting record is decidedly anti-gun.

Again, you are oversimplifying the issue, labeling as "anti-gun" anyone who
doesn't approve of carte-blanche access to guns. "False" was correct.

Not at all. Kerry has a long and very consistent record of voting
against pro firearms legislation and for needless restrictions, or
outright banning.

It is not me, but Kerry who has taken the carte-blanche stance.

Check the voting record on firearms legislation.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

We tried that once. They kicked our tails at a place called Flanders Landing.
They don't teach that in U.S. schools, but the Canadians know all about it.

Dave Reinhart


NW_PILOT wrote:

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...

I wonder if the fact that I went and took an intro lesson a couple of
months ago makes me already "enrolled" by their definitions. ;-)

Nope. It makes you a potential terrorist by their definition.

Remember back to the 911 hearings? They asked someone from the FBI if
there
had been any red flags before the attack.

"Senator", was the reply, "We were in a sea of red flags. We just didn't
know which were the important ones."

I think this was one of the most important lessons to come out of the
hearings.

TSA's response to threats is to red flag EVERYTHING! Then, if there is an
attack, they'll be able to say they had a red flag on the target. The
folks
who make the U.S. flags that clip onto your car windows will make another
bundle and everyone will overlook the fact that the TSA didn't actually
secure anything.

You should be glad you have Canada to go back to.

Until it is declared a threat by our goverment and we occupy it then take it
over.


--

Roger Long

Please don't push your gun lobby on this newsgroup. I have been a strong
opponent of the TSA rule, but I do not see the parallels with gun
control. Guns are designed to kill people. Airplanes are designed to
transport people. I admit I don't know much about guns. But that
discussion does not belong in this newsgroup unless there is a direct
connection to aviation (such as guns in the cockpit etc..).





"W P Dixon" wrote in
:

Well Tien,
The Second Amendment was written in order to keep the government
in
check. The power of the people was meant to be stronger than the power
of the federal government. Unfortunately "We The People" has become
more like "We The Sheeple". Slowly law after law takes away the
freedoms of the people. When you look at laws that are enacted that
tell a homeowner that he can not paint his house certain colors it's
pretty easy to see! If you don't you are going through life with
blinders on.
Australia and Great Britain have enacted severe gun control laws ,
and
their crime rates have sky rocketed. Check out the numbers on numerous
web sites...it's amazing! For myself I see a gun control law as just
another step to do away with guns. Common Sense tells us all that
someone who is a convicted felon should never be allowed to own a
firearm, but how many people do we still let drive a car that drives
DUI...just as dangerous wouldn't you think?
I think a big part of all of the hoopla is that gun control people
don't
really understand guns period, or laws already written. I constantly
hear talk of these gun shows selling guns to anybody . I go to these
shows all the time and I have never bought even an old shotgun without
the dealer calling a background check on me. But some politicians may
like that does not happen..Which is just a blatent lie. So it makes me
wonder exactly what these politicians are up to!
The assault weapons ban was a joke! It banned guns because of the
way
they looked! My .22 cal rifle fits the operational category of these
"oh so bad" weapons! It's just ridiculas! Also covered on this "ban"
was high capacity magazines. Like it takes more than one bullet to
kill someone?
I find it amusing that the political party in this country that
usually
complains about police brutality seems to want to make themselves even
more at the mercy of these same police. When only the police and the
feds have guns , what do they think will keep these types in check
then? No I am not saying all cops commit brutal acts, but there are
those on the gun control side that think it happens more often than
not in law enforcement.And yep there are in deed BAD COPS....how many
bad cops will there be when no one can protect themselves from
anything..crooks or anyone?
And one simple fact remains...make all the laws you want and the
crooks
will still have them and get them . And it only effects law abidding
citizens..who would then be at the mercy of these thugs. If they can
not smuggle them in...which heck we all know you can do look at all
the drugs that come into this country! , a gun is very simple to make.
So the law only prevents a person from defending themselves. Case in
point... The city of Kennesaw Mountain , GA passed a law that required
anyone over the age of 21 (homeowner I believe) to own a handgun. The
crime rate dropped by something of the 80% range. Again please look up
the exact number. The town made this law because a town in Ohio I
think it was banned guns.....there crime rate rose by about 80%.
Every city in this country that has strict gun control laws has
the
worst crime rates. I for one will never depend on the police that
usually show up 2 hours after a crime has taken place to defend my
family. As far as police complaints well I would complain to, if I had
a 9mm and the bad guys had AK-47's. and since no law is going to stop
the bad guys from having an Ak-47 ...why shouldn't the police or
someone who "has the right" to defend their family have equal
firepower.
And common sense will tell you that if you took every single gun
out of
a country, a murderer will still kill! Will we ban knives next... then
frying pans and baseball bats? Where would it stop? Or would it just
stop when the government knew the sheeple were at their mercy? No
fiearms sure means no civilian uprising against a tyrant.
It sure all debateable for sure, I think the entire process needs
people to see from both viewpoints not just one side. Gun Control for
me would be a background check, must be 18 to own or carry a firearm,
and a convicted felon has no right to a firearm or a vote( those
rights should be lost at conviction). Other than that..you can take my
guns when you pry my dead cold fingers off of them. hee hee hee

Patrick
"TD" wrote in message
m...
Roger wrote in message

Bush's fundamentalism, Born again Christian stance scares me

Scares me too.


as does
Kerry's anti-gun, ...stance.

Roger, this confuses me, and many others I am sure both in the US and
especially outside. Why do many americans view anti-gun laws as
frightening? Coming from a place where we have significant gun
control mechanisms, which in my layman`s view, seems to "work"
controlling violent crime, why would you favor upholding the 2nd
ammendment instead of supporting gun control, which many if not all
law enforcement agencies recommend strengthening?

Tien




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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
. 4...
Please don't push your gun lobby on this newsgroup. I have been a strong
opponent of the TSA rule, but I do not see the parallels with gun
control. Guns are designed to kill people. Airplanes are designed to
transport people. I admit I don't know much about guns. But that
discussion does not belong in this newsgroup unless there is a direct
connection to aviation (such as guns in the cockpit etc..).

So who appointed you moderator? Please learn quickly, the following lesson.

This group is more a cyber-hanger, with discussions from guns, to religion,
to politics, to old flying stories, and every once in a while, we talk about
flying planes. The ONLY way to deal with it, is to not deal with it. Skip
topics you do not like, but this is a free group. I don't always like the
subject, but then, I skip it, or skim it. It took a while (I am a slow
learner) to figure this all out.

Mentioning this again, or arguing about it now will not earn you any
friends, and will result in you betting "plonked" by many people.

In a friendly way, yours;
--
Jim in NC


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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
. 4...
Please don't push your gun lobby on this newsgroup. I have been a strong
opponent of the TSA rule, but I do not see the parallels with gun
control. Guns are designed to kill people. Airplanes are designed to
transport people. I admit I don't know much about guns. But that
discussion does not belong in this newsgroup unless there is a direct
connection to aviation (such as guns in the cockpit etc..).

I bet he owns a Remington Wingmaster so buzz off.

In article , Michael wrote:
Now if I were an alien looking to get flight training, I would be
pretty unhappy - since these rulings are going to make most of the
opposition to the rule disappear.

Right now, if I was starting from scratch I would no longer even
consider the US for flight training. I'd go to Canada during the
summertime.

With all the TSA fees plus now you'd be forced to go to only certain
certificate mill schools due to visa restrictions, and you'd have to
deal with the US embassy to get a visa (which is a royal pain in the
arse), it would actually be cheaper to learn to fly in the south of
France, where the weather is at least reliable.

Never thought I'd see the day where aviation is more free in the EU than
it is in the US, but it's happening.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
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