Plane down - NASCAR team plane crashes...

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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"Dave S" wrote in message
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"quote" on CNN's news article on 10/25/04 about the crash...

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Driver Rusty Wallace, also a pilot, said he considered the airports in
Talladega, Ala., and Martinsville the two most dangerous facilities to
fly into for races.

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Anyone care to comment on this, or what exactly he might be referring
to. For the sake of this issue, lets assume that he was not misquoted
nor paraphrased by some well meaning journalist.

And, yea.. I looked at the plate for RNAV 12.. the rocks ARE close but
they do have separation if you fly the approach as charted...

Dave

OtisWinslow wrote:
Look at the approach chart for the RNAV 12 at MTV. Bull Mountain is the
3211
ft obstacle very close to the FAF. They'd have to have gone below the
4300
ft
minimum for that segment prior to the FAF.

Sat deal, for sure.

The initial FAA report says they had executed a missed approach. As
someone
pointed out on rec.aviation.ifr, the missed approach calls for a climb to
3000. The initial approach fix (IAF) where they would go for a another
attempt, calls for an altitude of 5500. On "many" approaches these
altitudes are the same, but if on this approach you were to forget to
climb
from the 3000 to the 5500 on your way back to the IAF you just might hit
Bull Mountain...

John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ



Are we looking at the right plate???

The plate that I have shows the IAF at 2600, not 5500 ? ? ?
Maintain 2600 to FAF, then a steeper-than-normal 3.42 deg descent to MAP, 5
nm from FAF ?.
MAP (on my plate) is climbing Left turn to 3000 back to hold over the IAF.
Others have said this was a climbing RIGHT turn, which would actually make
more sense.

In either case, it obviously expects that you will not wait to start MAP too
late beyond the stated 5nm from FAF. You have only about 7 or 8 more miles
before the
serious terrain starts, so you better get that 180 done quickly.