A380 spec's

Ten years ago or so, I flew in a Continental Airlines 747 they had just
acquired from some other airline, and it still had a bar in the middle of
the tourist class area downstairs. Bar stools and all, in a 70's earth-tone
motif. IIRC, there was no bartender, but you could sit at the bar and sip
your coffee. Didn't look to see if there was one upstairs. I presume the
bar disappeared when they refurbished the airframe.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:IruHd.14719$IV5.11483@attbi_s54...

Right. And the original 747s had a "stratolounge" upstairs, with a bar,
and
seating area.

And then the bean-counters figured out how many seats they could pack into
that space, and *poof* -- it was gone.

Four engines what do you expect from ABC, Anything But Correct
"G. Sylvester" wrote in message
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Bob Chilcoat wrote:
ABC this evening had several film clips showing the A380. In one,
obviously
computer generated, it only had two engines. The one shown in the
"rollout"
has four. Was there a major design change somewhere along the line?
Pratt
or GE or Rolls unable to produce a requested new engine?

no idea about a design change but I read somewhere that the engines were
Trents. Can't remember if those are GE or Rolls. I know they
are not Lycomings or Continentals.

Gerald

Trents are Rolls Royce, it is the Trent 900 details are
Engine certification was achieved on schedule in October 2004 through the
new European Aviation Safety Agency. Even though it will operate initially
at a maximum take-off thrust of 70,000lb, the Trent 900 is cleared at an
80,000lb rating, allowing margin for future growth. It reached thrusts in
excess of 90,000lb during early test bed running.

With a fan diameter of 116 inches, the Trent 900 is physically the largest
engine ever built by Rolls-Royce. It is also the world's cleanest large
turbofan engine, measured by emissions per pound of thrust.



"G. Sylvester" wrote in message
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Bob Chilcoat wrote:
ABC this evening had several film clips showing the A380. In one,
obviously
computer generated, it only had two engines. The one shown in the
"rollout"
has four. Was there a major design change somewhere along the line?
Pratt
or GE or Rolls unable to produce a requested new engine?

no idea about a design change but I read somewhere that the engines were
Trents. Can't remember if those are GE or Rolls. I know they
are not Lycomings or Continentals.

Gerald

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
G.,

I presume it will fly like any other transport category airplane but
sitting in that thing will be like sitting in a mosh pit


Well, then read those specs again and compare total floor space divided
by the number of passengers for the 747 and the 380. You'll find the
passengers will have more space in the 380. And they have already
confirmed that this will show in wider seats with more distance from
each other.

Boy, the EU ambassador to r.a.p sure is touchy about criticism of the new
toy, ya think? Don't worry Thomas, even if they turn out to be albatrosses
for the passenger lines, I suspect DHL/FedEx/UPS will keep the assembly line
busy for years to come.

-cwk.

"Dave" wrote in message
Trents are Rolls Royce, it is the Trent 900 details are
Engine certification was achieved on schedule in October 2004 through the
new European Aviation Safety Agency. Even though it will operate initially
at a maximum take-off thrust of 70,000lb, the Trent 900 is cleared at an
80,000lb rating, allowing margin for future growth. It reached thrusts in
excess of 90,000lb during early test bed running.

The Trents on the B-777 produce over 90,000 lbs. Aren't they the same engine
core?

D.

Worth noting that the 777 engines are actually quite a bit larger with
100,000+lb thrust capability:
http://www.geae.com/engines/commercial/ge90/index.html

Of course it mounts only two so total thrust is quite a bit less...
-cwk.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Trents are Rolls Royce, it is the Trent 900 details are
Engine certification was achieved on schedule in October 2004 through the
new European Aviation Safety Agency. Even though it will operate initially
at a maximum take-off thrust of 70,000lb, the Trent 900 is cleared at an
80,000lb rating, allowing margin for future growth. It reached thrusts in
excess of 90,000lb during early test bed running.

With a fan diameter of 116 inches, the Trent 900 is physically the largest
engine ever built by Rolls-Royce. It is also the world's cleanest large
turbofan engine, measured by emissions per pound of thrust.

"Colin W Kingsbury" wrote in message
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
G.,

I presume it will fly like any other transport category airplane but
sitting in that thing will be like sitting in a mosh pit


Well, then read those specs again and compare total floor space divided
by the number of passengers for the 747 and the 380. You'll find the
passengers will have more space in the 380. And they have already
confirmed that this will show in wider seats with more distance from
each other.

Boy, the EU ambassador to r.a.p sure is touchy about criticism of the new
toy, ya think? Don't worry Thomas, even if they turn out to be albatrosses
for the passenger lines, I suspect DHL/FedEx/UPS will keep the assembly
line
busy for years to come.

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=901

"Tsunami-struck Thailand has been told by the European Commission that it
must buy six A380 Airbus aircraft if it wants to escape the tariffs against
its fishing industry.

While millions of Europeans are sending aid to Thailand to help its
recovery, trade authorities in Brussels are demanding that Thai Airlines,
its national carrier, pays £1.3 billion to buy its double-decker aircraft."

Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

That is one mother of an engine!

"Colin W Kingsbury" wrote in message
nk.net...
Worth noting that the 777 engines are actually quite a bit larger with
100,000+lb thrust capability:
http://www.geae.com/engines/commercial/ge90/index.html

Of course it mounts only two so total thrust is quite a bit less...
-cwk.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Trents are Rolls Royce, it is the Trent 900 details are
Engine certification was achieved on schedule in October 2004 through
the
new European Aviation Safety Agency. Even though it will operate
initially
at a maximum take-off thrust of 70,000lb, the Trent 900 is cleared at an
80,000lb rating, allowing margin for future growth. It reached thrusts
in
excess of 90,000lb during early test bed running.

With a fan diameter of 116 inches, the Trent 900 is physically the
largest
engine ever built by Rolls-Royce. It is also the world's cleanest large
turbofan engine, measured by emissions per pound of thrust.

"Cockpit Colin" wrote in message
...
That is one mother of an engine!

"Colin W Kingsbury" wrote in message
nk.net...
Worth noting that the 777 engines are actually quite a bit larger with
100,000+lb thrust capability:
http://www.geae.com/engines/commercial/ge90/index.html


http://www.turbokart.com/about_ge90.htm

General Electric GE90-115B High Bypass Turbofan


a.. Type: Ultra High Bypass Ratio Dual Shaft Turbofan
b.. Bypass Ratio: 9:1
c.. Low Pressure Compressor: Single Stage fan, followed by 4 stage axial
booster
d.. High Pressure Compressor: 9 stage axial flow compressor
e.. Burner: Double annular through-flow combustor
f.. Turbine: Dual spool, 2 stage axial high pressure turbine, 6 stage
axial low pressure turbine
g.. Exhaust: Coaxial core and bypass jet exhaust
h.. Thrust Rating: 115,300 lbs. of thrust
i.. Weight: 18,260 lbs.
j.. Thrust/weight: 6.3:1
k.. Air mass flow: Approximately 3,000 lbs/sec
l.. Fan Pressure Ratio: 2:1
m.. Overall Pressure Ratio: 42:1
n.. Maximum Turbine Inlet Temperatu 2,700F+
o.. Specific Fuel Consumption: .25 lb/lbt/hr
p.. Fuel Burn at takeoff: 3,750 gallons/hr

In article IruHd.14719$IV5.11483@attbi_s54,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

The 380 will be impressive to see fly -- but I'd sure not want to be a
passenger.

Think about how long it'll take to get on and off that thing... bleech.

--
Bob Noel
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