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As a newly qualified ppl(h) UK based I am now starting to visit new
airfields for the first time. Often I could easily land without going anywhere near the circuit. This can sometimes benefit other traffic but what do experienced pilots do? Do you always join in the circuit? When would it be better to stay out of the circuit? How do you decide? I know that air traffic (r/t) or lack of will sometimes determine the outcome but I would welcome the view of an experienced Fling Wing pilot. Thanks |
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It would be better to join the traffic pattern since it is a more predictable procedure. It will put you in a place where others are expecting you. In the States, we do not have to announce over the radio, but most do anyway.
Happy Flying Dave "Herbie" wrote in message om... As a newly qualified ppl(h) UK based I am now starting to visit new airfields for the first time. Often I could easily land without going anywhere near the circuit. This can sometimes benefit other traffic but what do experienced pilots do? Do you always join in the circuit? When would it be better to stay out of the circuit? How do you decide? I know that air traffic (r/t) or lack of will sometimes determine the outcome but I would welcome the view of an experienced Fling Wing pilot. Thanks |
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David ltz wrote:
It would be better to join the traffic pattern since it is a more predictable procedure. It will put you in a place where others are expecting you. In the States, we do not have to announce over the radio, but most do anyway. Happy Flying Dave "Herbie" wrote in message om... As a newly qualified ppl(h) UK based I am now starting to visit new airfields for the first time. Often I could easily land without going anywhere near the circuit. This can sometimes benefit other traffic but what do experienced pilots do? Do you always join in the circuit? When would it be better to stay out of the circuit? How do you decide? I know that air traffic (r/t) or lack of will sometimes determine the outcome but I would welcome the view of an experienced Fling Wing pilot. In general, helicopters in the US use a 500' AGL pattern, but there are always exceptions to that. How do you decide what to do? Here is a good personal rule- if you're not comfortable accepting something unusual, ask for something else or simply depart the pattern. Courtesy to others is always important, but your own safety is most important of all. If you are confused or overtasked while flying, or forced to operate your helicopter in an unsafe flight regime (ie, avoid part of H-V diagram), then that is not safe. Joining the normal pattern, if you have the speed to not inhibit the others, is always desireable. If a faster aircraft is gradually gaining on you each pass, he may S-turn for spacing or even turn crosswind behind you. This is a safe way to overtake you. I have only seen this maneuver when authorized by a control tower. Personally, the thought of doing this at an uncontrolled field does not bother me. On the other hand, you can easily sidestep to a taxiway after landing, then rejoin the pattern after he has gone past on the runway. Remember, pilots of faster aircraft will mostly act professionally and with consideration towards slower aircraft. Hopefully this includes extending their upwind legs before turning crosswind, in order to account for the greater speed from downwind to final. Also remember, a lot of fixed wing pilots and controllers do not understand helicopter aerodynamics- most of them have no idea that we too experience ground effect, or that hovering actually requires more power, and autorotation is a complete mystery to a lot of those guys! Here are some other options, depending if you are practicing touch-and-goes, if there are other, much faster aircraft also working, if there is more than one runway, noise concerns, turbulence, etc: Work the opposite pattern/circuit to the same runway, ie, you work left hand while the others work right hand. Control towers sometimes assign this. Work a different runway, but turn early so you do not overfly intersections, and also stay clear of the pattern on the other runway(s). I've done this at controlled and uncontrolled fields. Communicating with other aircraft is key. I've sat one deck for an extra minute or so before, partly out of courtesy but also for the entertainment of watching another aircraft land (hey... I love airplanes). Similarly, others may yield to you because a helicopter is a novelty to them. Sometimes we even wave to each other ![]() Departures can be fun. Being cleared to "takeoff from present position" on a departure heading is not uncommon. Use common sense for wind effects, overflying parked aircraft and buildings. Here is an example of what not to do- we accepted this once with a 5 knot tailwind on a hot day, full fuel tank... About two seconds into forward flight, we flew over a ditch- suddenly no more ground effect, and at the same time the airspeed dropped to zero (think... 5 knot tailwind, plus approx 5 knot groundspeed). What do you think those few seconds felt like for a couple of flight students borrowing the taxpayers' helicopter for an easy cross country flight? Last, let me restate the "personal comfort" and safety rule- go back to my paragraph "How do you decide what to do?" |
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