Postponed 3 students due to TSA

Nyal Williams wrote:

Hair splitting is entirely in order. You are right
that fascism is a necessary part of communism, but
you can certainly have fascism without communism.

Certainly, and I never claimed otherwise.

You are getting it right now out of TSA.

The bureaucratic aspects of this TSA lark strike me as
a common trait with some of the former (fortunately)
communist systems, hence that comparison is valid
too, as well as the fascist one.
CV

is that buried in the TSA definitin somewhere?
I saw definitions for "flight school". "recurrency training".. etc.. but not
"marketing"

I can't market the flight school? or flying in general?

BT

"Vaughn" wrote in message
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"BTIZ" wrote in message
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Demo flights for marketing are not required to meet the TSA criteria

Be careful here. They mean for "marketing" an aircraft, not
"marketing"
flight training.

"Demonstration flight for marketing purposes means a flight for the
purpose of
demonstrating an aircraft's or aircraft

simulator's capabilities or characteristics to a potential purchaser, or
to an
agent of a potential purchaser,

of the aircraft or simulator, including an acceptance flight after an
aircraft
manufacturer delivers an aircraft to a

purchaser."



Vaughn

unless it's published in the Federal Register.. AOPA (yes I'm a long
standing member) can tell me all they want... but it is not so until
published..

BT

"Roger Worden" wrote in message
news
The alien training rule was amended today. See the AOPA web site.

The rule no longer applies to BFRs, just new certificates and ratings.
CFI's no longer have to keep copies of the ID, just log it in the
student's
logbook.

ut it is not so until
published..

BT

C'mon BT, what are you scared off. Defy the *******s just like the rest of us.

It occurs to me, can I get Soaring forwarded to Gitmo when they come knocked at
the door?

One of the priveleges of the Patriot Act that they can come and arrest anyone
they want without due process. Then again, they may reverse the ruling by
Spring time when it would be warm here in the northeast US again.

Jim Vincent
N483SZ
illspam

CV wrote in message ...
Nyal Williams wrote:

Hair splitting is entirely in order. You are right
that fascism is a necessary part of communism, but
you can certainly have fascism without communism.

Certainly, and I never claimed otherwise.

You are getting it right now out of TSA.

The bureaucratic aspects of this TSA lark strike me as
a common trait with some of the former (fortunately)
communist systems, hence that comparison is valid
too, as well as the fascist one.
CV

The communism as practiced by Russia until ~1990 and China is very
different from the theoretical concepts originally proposed by Lenin
etc. Kibbutzez in Israel are far closer to the original communist
proposal, yet have no fascist overtones. Ideal communism is everybody
working together for the good of the community. I think that the Amish
practice a form of communism in the way that they work together. I
don't think that the Amish can be called fascists

It is very funny that the Germans of the 1920's and 30's so feared
communism that they went with the fascism of the Nazis - and how that
changed world history.

Apartheid South Africa had many of the trappings of fascism
(especially if you happened to be non-white) but was totally opposed
to communism. The current government is far more lenient towards
communism - the South African Communist Party is an active part of the
government - yet is not fascist at all. There is no merit in saying
that fascism is a necessary part of communism and vice-versa - they
are very different models.

I fear that if the current fears of terrorism in America are allowed
to escalate - a repeat of Apartheid South Africa is a final
possibility, with all its restrictions and removals of personal
freedom for certain classes of people - e.g. Muslims and foreigners.
White South Africans were convinced to allow apartheid based on the
government convincing the people of the dangers of communism. (Die
Rooi Gevaar - the Red Danger).

How does all this affect Soaring? Visit South Africa where the skies
are open, the people friendly, the beer cheap and the soaring
fantastic.

Clinton Birch
LAK 12

"BTIZ" wrote in message
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is that buried in the TSA definitin somewhere?
I saw definitions for "flight school". "recurrency training".. etc.. but not
"marketing"

The formatting was screwed up, but that was a quote straight from the rule.
Not a definition of "marketing" but rather of 'demonstration flight".


I can't market the flight school? or flying in general?

Sure you can. But you can't give a flight lesson and call it a
"demonstration flight" unless (perhaps) the purpose of the flight is to sell the
airplane.

Vaughn




BT

"Vaughn" wrote in message
...

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:0ACdd.34287$bk1.21274@fed1read05...
Demo flights for marketing are not required to meet the TSA criteria

Be careful here. They mean for "marketing" an aircraft, not
"marketing"
flight training.

"Demonstration flight for marketing purposes means a flight for the
purpose of
demonstrating an aircraft's or aircraft

simulator's capabilities or characteristics to a potential purchaser, or
to an
agent of a potential purchaser,

of the aircraft or simulator, including an acceptance flight after an
aircraft
manufacturer delivers an aircraft to a

purchaser."



Vaughn

Clint wrote:
The communism as practiced by Russia until ~1990 and China is very
different from the theoretical concepts originally proposed by Lenin

Actual practice often turns out very different from theoretical
concepts.

etc. Kibbutzez in Israel are far closer to the original communist
proposal, yet have no fascist overtones. Ideal communism is everybody
working together for the good of the community. I think that the Amish
practice a form of communism in the way that they work together. I
don't think that the Amish can be called fascists

It is very funny that the Germans of the 1920's and 30's so feared
communism that they went with the fascism of the Nazis - and how that
changed world history.

Apartheid South Africa had many of the trappings of fascism
(especially if you happened to be non-white) but was totally opposed
to communism. The current government is far more lenient towards
communism - the South African Communist Party is an active part of the
government - yet is not fascist at all. There is no merit in saying
that fascism is a necessary part of communism and vice-versa - they
are very different models.

Noone has claimed the vice-versa afaik.

But OK then, besides smaller groups like kibbutzes or the Amish you
mention (must confess I have no idea what they are), ant colonies
and the like :0), name a country that has had a communist system
for any amount of time without fascist-style repression and
persecution to keep their citizenry in line.

CV

Update! From Judy R's post earlier today. It seems that this rule is
changing faster than we can talk about it.

"-- Introductory flights, field checks, aircraft checkouts
and other proficiency flights are NOT considered flight
training."

This seems to say that it is OK for a CFIG to turn a glider ride into
an introductory lesson without dealing with the citizenship issue. A good
thing, because we pick up lots of new students that way.

Vaughn

(Burt Compton) wrote
Scenario # 1: I've got 2 guys (with FAA SEL Pilot Certificates) who planned to
come to Marfa, Texas for glider training next week. Neither has a US Passport
nor can they obtain a Certified Copy of their Birth Certificate because they
are told you need to go to your home town or county to obtain it in person from
the Clerk's office.

Who said anything about a certified copy? They have the original,
don't they? You saw it, right? Just nod your head yes, and enter the
endorsement in the instructor's logbook and the student's. Now go
fly.

No, there is no longer a requirement to keep a copy. An exemption has
been issued.

Scenario # 2: Third student is a local 13 year old youngster. Hopes to solo
on 14th birthday over the Christmas Holidays. Has no previous glider training
except great RC model flyer. Been reading books and watching soaring videos.
No Passport. Mom working on getting an original certified copy of his birth
certificate from out of state.

Again - he or his parents have the original, right? Same process.

I guess we will have to advise our students well in advance of coming to fly
with us to get their documents in order.

That depends - do you trust them or don't you?

Michael

I can't market the flight school? or flying in general?

Sure you can. But you can't give a flight lesson and call it a
"demonstration flight" unless (perhaps) the purpose of the flight is to
sell the
airplane.

Vaughn


I did not say I was giving a lesson... I said I was marketing Aviation...

BT