C-172 down at HPN - 2 fatalities

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No he was given false info by his client who paid him to get it out in the
press. He had no responsibility to prove everything that he gave the press
was true. If PR people had to do that they would all be out of business in
a
week. Their job is to spin information to put their client in the best
light.

On the other hand the press has a responsibility to check facts.
ESPECIALLY
when it comes from a PR firm.



In other words, I DO understand this.

So..., If a client gives a PR person something to spin, the PR hack
has NO responsibility. That's what your understanding is? It doesn't matter
whether the material is good or total BS?
I predict some back-pedalling coming here. Like, "Oh well, if I KNOW
it's BS, I won't take the job." Well, how about when you have some suspicion
that the info isn't on the up and up? Do you spin it then? Or do you do
some questioning? Are the $$$ bigger than the ethics?
How about when some convincing flake passes plausible BS to the
reporter? The reporter, you say is obligated to determine the material is
true, yet you have no responsibility to make sure its true in the first
place. In other words, you can BS the public... if nobody catches it at the
news desk.

Casey Wilson wrote:

InÂ*otherÂ*words,Â*youÂ*canÂ*BSÂ*theÂ*public...Â*i fÂ*nobodyÂ*catchesÂ*itÂ*atÂ*the
news desk.

Back to politics, are we?

- Andrew

RomeoMike wrote:

Most people in general circumstances
will forget the story in a few days.

I'd like to think you're right. But companies pay a lot for "branding", so
I'm left feeling that comments such as those from this particular reporter
do "add up" in the public consciousness.

In any case, the bottom line is
that if we pilots were as perfect at flying as you wish reporters were
at reporting, there would be practically no accidents to report (these
being the relatively few pure mechanical failures), and therefore no
cause for your angst.

I'd pit our record against theirs any day.

- Andrew

In article , RomeoMike
wrote:

IMHO, you are a little too sensitive as to what you think the public
will think, UNLESS we're talking about an airport near which a political
movement is underfoot to close it.

snip

There *is* a political movement afoot to close HPN, there has been for
years, ever since the McMansions started going up all around the
airport about 15 years ago. There are all these aviation enthusiasts
buying homes off the approach end of the main runway and then getting
upset about it and doing their damndest to cklose the airport.

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
"Matt Barrow"
That's where Germany attacked the US and drew us into the
Spanish-American
War.


"Remember the...starts with "M" ...Merrimack"

Half the kids in my 1977 High School history class drew a line (east to
west) across Asia, Europe, the Atlantic Ocean, North America, and out into
the Pacific Ocean to Hawaii - to show the route Japan used to attack Pearl
Harbor. Some went around Africa and South America because they knew it had
something to do with aircraft carriers.

They didn't know that Japan moved her entire attack force throught the
Panama Canal, huh?

Yup, flat map - US on the left, Japan on the right.

Flat map -- flat earth!!


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Matt Barrow" writes:
"Montblack" wrote
"Matt Barrow"
That's where Germany attacked the US and drew us into the
Spanish-American War.

"Remember the...starts with "M" ...Merrimack"

Half the kids in my 1977 High School history class drew a line (east to
west) across Asia, Europe, the Atlantic Ocean, North America, and out into
the Pacific Ocean to Hawaii - to show the route Japan used to attack Pearl
Harbor. Some went around Africa and South America because they knew it had
something to do with aircraft carriers.

They didn't know that Japan moved her entire attack force throught the
Panama Canal, huh?

Yup, flat map - US on the left, Japan on the right.

Flat map -- flat earth!!

Right! What's the problem?

Isn't that why all our aviation maps are flat?

Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Montrose has a Super-Walmart, Home Depot, and Chili's. What
more is there to want?

Everett M. Greene wrote:

Isn't that why all our aviation maps are flat?

I thought that it was because globes are so tough to fold.

- Andrew

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Hey, I'm with you on this.

Too much of this "It's the other guy's job to be honest" stuff in
corporate America, as far as I'm concerned.

And the free market is fast destroying honest journalism, which once
upon a time we could depend on to reveal the machinations of
deceptive government and dishonest business.

Unfortunately, the Fox News model seems to be growing rapidly
dominant. Shill for anybody as long as it turns the most profit.



I gotta call BS here...

The "traditional" broadcast networks were (and are) capable of being slanted
themselves...while being commercial enterprises. Don't hang it all on FOX.

It took FOX (right leaning though they may be...) to show that the status
quo had been leaning the other way for quite some time.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

"Wizard of Draws" wrote in
message news:BE933281.64DF1%jeffbTAKEOUTALLCAPS@TOEMAILwiz ardofdraws.com...
Even when we did a story on the flight school I trained at, and I pointed
out a number of glaring errors long before deadline, they were not fixed.
Among other things, it "sounded better" to say "license to fly" when the
student had only soloed.

Sorry, I don't see what's inaccurate there. A solo endorsement *is* a
license to fly (but not with passengers). Why not refer to it as such?

--Gary

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:05:56 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:

I gotta call BS here...

The "traditional" broadcast networks were (and are) capable of being slanted
themselves...while being commercial enterprises. Don't hang it all on FOX.

It took FOX (right leaning though they may be...) to show that the status
quo had been leaning the other way for quite some time.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ


There was a time that the TV news departments were separate entities,
and not answerable to the commercial side, and did not have to fear
offending the commercial interests.

That all changed, and the networks are now almost as bad as the news
channels, although probably less so.

60 Minutes caved in to the tobacco interests back in the days of the
guy (forget his name) who ratted out one of the tobacco companies,
because they feared a huge lawsuit. They lived to regret it.

About the only real journalism that's left is the Lehrer New Hour on
PBS, where you can actually get two civilly presented sides of real
issues.

Unfortunately, Bush and Co are loading up the CPB governing board with
their right-wing cronies, and we will soon be treated on public TV
to staged news conferences and shlled performances where hand-picked
audience members ask pre-screened softball questionsin an attempt to
make a moron president look like he knows what he is talking about.

Heaven knows what we will do for real news after that.