Why bother about light aircraft noise.

I has looking at a TV show about traffic violations including the odd
high speed chases.
Part of the show was about the technical integerty of vehicles being
pulled over.
One of the things the police looked at was the sound level of cars and
motorcycles, especially the ones with the sporty exhausts.

So things went like: Your VW golf is rated at 84db and it produces 106
so you get a fine of ... and show us your car in two weeks with the
original exhaust.
There was a bike that is allowed to produce 92db at 5000 rpm.

Hmmm, 84 and 92 db.
My noise certificate shows that my plane(1974 MS880B) produces 69db.
That is way below a standard car or bike is allowed.

Now my question is why people complain about light aircraft noise while
there are hordes of cars and bikes that make a lot more noise?

-Kees

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I has looking at a TV show about traffic violations including the odd
high speed chases.
Part of the show was about the technical integerty of vehicles being
pulled over.
One of the things the police looked at was the sound level of cars and
motorcycles, especially the ones with the sporty exhausts.

So things went like: Your VW golf is rated at 84db and it produces 106
so you get a fine of ... and show us your car in two weeks with the
original exhaust.
There was a bike that is allowed to produce 92db at 5000 rpm.

Hmmm, 84 and 92 db.
My noise certificate shows that my plane(1974 MS880B) produces 69db.
That is way below a standard car or bike is allowed.

Now my question is why people complain about light aircraft noise while
there are hordes of cars and bikes that make a lot more noise?

-Kees



As a bike rider "Loud Pipes Save Lives" & "Lots of Lights will help prevent
riding in a van with lots of spinning lights" Now foot these little rice
grinders with the exhausts that you can here 6 blocks away and they reve
their engines at the stop sign's I look at them and laugh think how dumb
they sound compared to American cubic inches. I would rather here an
airplane, v8 race car, loud motorcycles, jap and American all day long then
here a little rice grinder car's exaust tip with their stereos rattling my
windows.

That's easy. Because they don't have one and they're not doing
the flying and they're jealous. It's a control issue .. nothing to
do with noise.

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Now my question is why people complain about light aircraft noise while
there are hordes of cars and bikes that make a lot more noise?

-Kees

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says...


That's easy. Because they don't have one and they're not doing
the flying and they're jealous. It's a control issue .. nothing to
do with noise.


Yes, indeed that was easy.
We didn't even determine who "they" are.
I suppose this refers to all people who complain about airplane noise?


G Faris

In article .com,
says...


Now my question is why people complain about light aircraft noise while
there are hordes of cars and bikes that make a lot more noise?



First off, noise measurements, in Decibels, are meaningless unless the
measurement conditions, specifically the spectral weighting and the
distance from the source are expressed along with the dB number. You
airplane, on takeoff, directly under the departure end of the runway
emits a sound pressure level much higher than 69db/A.

Moreover, you plane continues to emit its 69 dB or more in areas where
people thought they were sheltered from intrusive, urban noise. Way out
in the country - the middle of a forest - the desert - even a remote
island. People view this noise as unnecessary. Highway noise, though
there may be abuses, is considered necessary, because people need to get
where they're going. Large aircraft noise is also considered necessary,
though this does not prevent some people (who chose to move there) from
complaining. Lawnmowers may be much louder than small airport noise in
suburban areas, but they too are considered necessary. Small airplanes,
on the other hand, are commonly perceived as serving the sole purpose of
gratification for their owners and pilots.

Studies in urbanism have shown us that the noises which create the
greatest irritation are those where the noisemaker is "getting kicks".
Constant noise from a major airport, rail exchange or highway may cause
fatigue and irritation over the long term, but the kid racing his dirt
bike at the end of the street is likely to get a bloody nose after an
hour. Or the kids with the boom box on the porch across the street. Your
airplane, to many people, fits in this category. A rich kid's toy,
drilling holes in everyone else's head.

As pilots, I believe we have much to lose in failing to recognize any
legitimacy in people's noise complaints. To date, we have had many
victories using the "airport was here first" argument, along with the
FAA's strong defense of the federal nature of airspace in eminent domain
issues. But this success will not continue forever, if pilots continue
to "shove it in the face" of the complainers. A few smart, well moneyed
lawyers in the pack, and some decisions will start going the other way.
There is much more to gain in continuing to fight, certainly, but in
respect of good neighbor practices. This begins with simply steering
clear of populated areas and more isolated gatherings, when possible.
Meeting with the community groups helps as well - putting a human face
on the pilot community, as well as spreading information - Many
complainers do not recognize that pattern work is a necessary and
essential activity. (No more planes in the pattern = no more airline
pilots to fly them cheaply to Mexico on that vacation they're planning).
The airport users should also nurture good relations with the local
chamber of commerce, and promote understanding of the economic
importance of the airport. Sometimes noise abatement procedures and
pattern modifications can be worked out, which not only reduce noise
over that lawyer's house, but give a sense of dialog and cooperation.

Simply treating the complainers as whining hysterics will prove to be a
losing argument.

G Faris

Well, it depends where you live. Living in Chicago, I seldom hear
planes overhead because of city noise, though I've been significantly
annoyed by aircraft during concerts in the park (I am a pilot).

If I got tired of the city, bought a house in the country for the
quiet, and a group of local fliers decided to take up aerobatics over
my house, I'd be annoyed if it happened regularly.

"Paul kgyy" wrote in message

If I got tired of the city, bought a house in the country for the
quiet,

Anyone who does that has never had the pleasure of listening to tree frogs
or cicadas. The "country" is not quiet, it is just different.

Here's a clip from another N/G.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: F-16 Noise Complaint
From the Arizona Republic online.....

A complaint post, and the reply:

Complaint:
Quote: A wake-up call from Luke's jets Jun. 23, 2005 12:00 AM

"Question of the day for Luke Air Force Base: Whom do we thank for the
morning air show? Last Wednesday, at precisely 9:11 a.m., a tight
formation of four F-16 jets made a low pass over Arrowhead Mall,
continuing west over
Bell Road at approximately 500 feet. Imagine our good fortune! Do the
Tom Cruise-wannabes feel we need this wake-up call, or were they trying
to impress the cashiers at Mervyns' early-bird special? Any response
would be appreciated."


The reply is classic, and a testament to the professionalism and
heroism of the folks in the armed services. The response:

Quote:
Regarding "A wake-up call from Luke's jets" (Letters, Thursday): On
June 15, at precisely 9:12 a.m., a perfectly timed four-ship of F-16s
from the 63rd Fighter Squadron at Luke Air Force Base flew over the
grave of Capt Jeremy Fresques.


Capt. Fresques was an Air Force officer who was previously stationed at
Luke Air Force Base and was killed in Iraq on May 30, Memorial Day. At
9 a.m. on June 1 5, his family and friends gathered at Sunland Memorial
Park in Sun City to mourn the loss of a husband, son and friend.


Based on the letter writer's recount of the flyby, and because of the
jet noise, I'm sure you didn't hear the 21-gun salute, the playing of
taps, or my words to the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques as I gave
them their son's flag on behalf of the president of the United States
and all those veterans and servicemen and women who understand the
sacrifices they have endured. A four-ship flyby is a display of respect
the Air Force pays to those who give their lives in defense of freedom.
We are professional aviators and take our jobs seriously, and on June
15 what the letter writer witnessed was four officers lining up to pay
their ultimate respects.

The letter writer asks, "Whom do we thank for the morning air show?"
The 56th Fighter Wing will call for you, and forward your thanks to the
widow and parents of Capt. Fresques, and thank them for you, for it was
in their honor that my pilots flew the most honorable formation of
their lives.


Lt. Col. Scott Pleus
CO 63rd Fighter Squadron
Luke Air Force Base

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Paul kgyy" wrote in message

If I got tired of the city, bought a house in the country for the
quiet,

Anyone who does that has never had the pleasure of listening to tree frogs
or cicadas. The "country" is not quiet, it is just different.

Not to mention the gentle hint of manuer in the air.

My neighbor compained about the noise the toads were making in our backyard
pond...

Really.

--
Geoff
the sea hawk at wow way d0t com
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I has looking at a TV show about traffic violations including the odd
high speed chases.
Part of the show was about the technical integerty of vehicles being
pulled over.
One of the things the police looked at was the sound level of cars and
motorcycles, especially the ones with the sporty exhausts.

So things went like: Your VW golf is rated at 84db and it produces 106
so you get a fine of ... and show us your car in two weeks with the
original exhaust.
There was a bike that is allowed to produce 92db at 5000 rpm.

Hmmm, 84 and 92 db.
My noise certificate shows that my plane(1974 MS880B) produces 69db.
That is way below a standard car or bike is allowed.

Now my question is why people complain about light aircraft noise while
there are hordes of cars and bikes that make a lot more noise?

-Kees



As a bike rider "Loud Pipes Save Lives" & "Lots of Lights will help prevent
riding in a van with lots of spinning lights" Now foot these little rice
grinders with the exhausts that you can here 6 blocks away and they reve
their engines at the stop sign's I look at them and laugh think how dumb
they sound compared to American cubic inches. I would rather here an
airplane, v8 race car, loud motorcycles, jap and American all day long then
here a little rice grinder car's exaust tip with their stereos rattling my
windows.

A souped up and light weight rice rocket will beat most stock detroit
muscle cars. I actually like the sound of a high revving fourbanger,
though I prefer souped up V-8.