airfields with a tower that doesn't control pilots?

"Stefan"

The point is not whether you or me would find it confusing while sitting
in front of a computer and reading usenet. The point is whether it can
cause confusions in a stressy environment, with maybe even people involved
who can barely understand and speak English. The whole point of a well
defined radio terminology is to try to avoid all possibilities of
confusion. If you read accident reports, a surprising lot of them was
caused by misunderstandings which could have been avoided by the use of
the proper terminology.

Agreed.

moo

Cub Driver wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:26:19 GMT, Tauno Voipio
wrote:


It seems that you have met AFIS - Aerodrome Flight Information
Service. The guy in the tower is not a qualified ATC controller,
but he's able to provide the minimum information needed for
night or IFR operations.

AFAIK, AFIS is in use on smaller European airports.


Thanks! I'm glad to know it has a name.

Narsarsuaq's airport is open six days a week and only during broad
daylight. Interestingly, the requirements for an IFR approach are
higher than for a VFR approach at home -- as I recall, 6,000 ft
ceiling and four miles viz.

You take up your Initial Point directly over the airport and at 5,800
feet. Then you fly west on a 5.x degree descent for 8 miles. Then you
make a U turn near a 2,500? ft mountain and fly back east on the same
pitch. The air is so clear in Greenland that the ridgeline looked a
couple hundred feet off the starboard wingtip, though it was in fact
about half a mile away.

Altogether, the most fun I've ever had as a passenger in a jet.

(And that doesn't begin to take into account the lissome Faroese
stewardesses. The Faroes -- Iceland -- Greenland, omigod the women! As
Christopher Buckley wrote recently, it's the result of Nordic DNA, six
centuries of keeping strangers out, and eating raw fish for dinner.)


Apropos Faroes Islands:

Try to get the Jeppesen charts about the Vagar (Torshavn) airport
(the only one within 400 NM) and have a look at the approaches.

--

Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio (at) iki fi

Tauno Voipio wrote:

Apropos Faroes Islands:

Try to get the Jeppesen charts about the Vagar (Torshavn) airport
(the only one within 400 NM) and have a look at the approaches.

Not Jeppesen, but the Danish originals:
http://www.slv.dk/Dokumenter/dscgi/d...Collection-410

BTW, back to the topic: Note that there's a frequency for "AFIS" on the
charts.

Stefan

Happy Dog wrote:

Agreed.

Say again??? Whatever happened to usenet??? :-)

Stefan

Stefan wrote:
Happy Dog wrote:

Agreed.

Say again??? Whatever happened to usenet??? :-)

Now, there's a man who won't take yes for an answer.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

Stefan wrote:
Tauno Voipio wrote:

Apropos Faroes Islands:

Try to get the Jeppesen charts about the Vagar (Torshavn) airport
(the only one within 400 NM) and have a look at the approaches.


Not Jeppesen, but the Danish originals:
http://www.slv.dk/Dokumenter/dscgi/d...Collection-410

BTW, back to the topic: Note that there's a frequency for "AFIS" on the
charts.


Thanks for the reference. I have only the Scandinavian Jepp.

A fascinating place - plenty of terrain and no alternatives.

--

Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio (at) iki fi

Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, said:
...
daylight hours, but the tower only gives advice; the pilot is always
in control, and makes his own decisions.
...

St. Catharines, Ontario used to be a controlled airport, but now it is
FSS. On Sunday I had my scanner going while watching the airshow and I
heard 4 different aircraft call the FSS asking about landing. In each
case the FSS informed the pilot that there was the airspace for 5 NM, up
to 10,000 feet was restricted due to the airshow. In each case the FSS
ended with "What are your intentions?" If this was a controlled airspace
then he would have ended with some instructions instead of the question.
I wonder what would have happened if the pilot said "My intentions are
to land at St. Catharines" instead of turning around?


the ones you talk to (you say "St. Catherines Radio" instead of "St.
Catherines Traffic" or they get upset with you), but they tell you the
...

I always say "St. Catharines Radio" and have never had anyone get upset.
But then again I'm flying one of the St. Catharines Flying Club aircraft
so they know that I am a local, but you are probably pronouncing St.
Catharines the way you spell it so they know that you are not from
around the area.

--
Peter Weaver
Weaver Consulting Services Inc.
Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX
www.weaverconsulting.ca

In a previous article, "Peter Weaver" said:
Paul Tomblin wrote:
the ones you talk to (you say "St. Catherines Radio" instead of "St.
Catherines Traffic" or they get upset with you), but they tell you the
...

I always say "St. Catharines Radio" and have never had anyone get upset.

Which is exactly what I said.

so they know that I am a local, but you are probably pronouncing St.
Catharines the way you spell it so they know that you are not from
around the area.

Your condescention is misplaced.

Next time, try reading what I actually wrote.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty will be charged to
dangers, real or imagined, from abroad." - James Madison

Paul Tomblin wrote:
...
Which is exactly what I said.
...

Right, I misread what you wrote and forgot to add the at the end.
Sorry.

--
Peter Weaver
Weaver Consulting Services Inc.
Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX
www.weaverconsulting.ca

OK, I'll bite...

How *do* you say "St. Catharine's"?

Les

"Peter Weaver" wrote in message
...
Paul Tomblin wrote:
...
Which is exactly what I said.
...

Right, I misread what you wrote and forgot to add the at the end.
Sorry.

--
Peter Weaver
Weaver Consulting Services Inc.
Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX
www.weaverconsulting.ca