airplane noise can impair young students

In article vGzaf.575$zu6.478@fed1read04, says...


the same can be said for saw mills, construction sites or major highways..
don't build schools next to loud noisy polluting cars..



No no - you've misunderstood. The eminent Latvian scientists have ruled out
all other sources of noise. It's exclusively airplane noise that has this
effect on students.

On 3 Nov 2005 17:05:24 -0800, wrote:

A team of researchers from Mexico, Bosnia, Latvia and the Ivory Coast
studied 50 children (ages 9-10 years old) who attended James Graham
Elementary in Newark, California.

And can we assume that the American taxpayer picked up the tab for
this junket?

The Ivory Coast?

Bosnia?

Are there no qualified noise researchers in California?


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On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:46:47 -0600, "Jeff" wrote:

Not to mention that I'd bet you $10 that you'd be hard pressed to find a GA
airport that was built near a school. My experience has been that the
airport was in existence for 30 years and then they put the school 1/4 mile
from the threshold.

This is the case where I fly, except that the airport is a lot older
than 30 years! More like 70.

The (modern) high school is about half a mile northeast of the
"threshold" of 02. It's a temptation to use it as a point to turn
base, but I usually resist.



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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 04:53:37 GMT, Jose
wrote:

I bet a lot of places are like that. Both the school and the airport go
way back. Schools were invented before airplanes, so if they both go
back far enough, the school will win.

As a rule, however, schools weren't built out in the country until the
consolidation craze of the 1960s, by which time most airports were
already in existence. All the schools I attended (seven) were
downtown.

In one case, funnily enough, I lived right by the airport (now
Skyhaven in Rochester NH) and was bused into town for school.



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50 Students from the same school? Where was the control group? This is a
sample size of 1.

This sounds alot like the study that proves tornados are caused by paved
roads. As the number of miles of paved roads increased, so did ths number of
reported tornados.

I think the researchers from Mexico, Bosnia, Latvia and the Ivory Coast need
to work on their methods.

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A team of researchers from Mexico, Bosnia, Latvia and the Ivory Coast
studied 50 children (ages 9-10 years old) who attended James Graham
Elementary in Newark, California. The researchers found that as
airplane noise around a school increased, students' reading
comprehension scores decreased.

In fairness to the OP (who has not shown us the same courtesy) there is no
link to the study itself, so we cannot know how serious it is, or to what
degree the info blurb is paraphrasing (or distorting). Doubt is cast on the
sincerity of the resume by the ending catchline about a possible solution
(closing the airport) but again this line is not clearly attributed to the
researchers (or to anyone else for that matter).

Personally, I have no difficulty in believing that continuous noise from
large, metropolitan airports has a tiring and stress-inducing effect on many
people, and could be detrimental to concentration in any school placed
nearby.

Since both schools and airports are necessary to our society and economy,
every effort should be made not to build schools next to large airports, and
those who have done so should be relocated.Such an initiative could be taken
on a "commmon sense" basis, without need to spend more millions on scientific
studies.

G Faris

Bob Noel wrote:

I know that airplane noise interrupts me at work.

I hear the plane and want to go flying!!!!

My office has two windows, one of which looks over ("under?") the VOR-DME-A
into KTEB. A fair amount of VFR traffic also crosses my view (likely
inbound to TEB as well).

It is quite disruptive. I've ceased taking my aviation radio into work,
which helps...but still, I see them and I want to join them.

I could easily see students having this problem. The solution is to give
them some experience with aviation. Get them to an airport, an aviation
museum, or - best - get them flying. It won't end the distraction (it
could make it worse if I'm to be an example {8^), but at least there'll be
that extra achievement too. And, with luck, motivation to study for [at
least] the PPL.

Seriously, I do wonder which is more time consuming: wishing I was flying
knowing that I can and do, or wishing that I was flying not knowing how to
get involved. The latter certainly seems more emotionally draining (not to
mention: just plain sad).

Get the kids flying, and see what that does to their memory and study
habits.

- Andrew

Cub Driver usenet AT danford DOT net wrote:

Are there no qualified noise researchers in California?

Apparently, the only noise researchers in CA are qualified. Thus, they
could not produce the required "study".

- Andrew

Who will pay for the relocation of schools in order to accomodate the
nearby airport? (I assume you mean that the schools, rather than the
airport be relocated.)

Cub Driver wrote:
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:46:47 -0600, "Jeff" wrote:

Not to mention that I'd bet you $10 that you'd be hard pressed to find a GA
airport that was built near a school. My experience has been that the
airport was in existence for 30 years and then they put the school 1/4 mile
from the threshold.

This is the case where I fly, except that the airport is a lot older
than 30 years! More like 70.

The (modern) high school is about half a mile northeast of the
"threshold" of 02. It's a temptation to use it as a point to turn
base, but I usually resist.

Well. As a pilot I'm all for noise.
It's the sudden absense of engine noise that I'm against ! :-)