A new twist on complaints

The only permanent solution is to have a zone around the airport with
no houses. Even then you will inevitably get complaints from far away.

There is a natural cycle. An airport is built on the outskirts of town.
The town grows around the aiport. The airport is moved to out of town.
The old airport gets developed. The problem is, now, that frequently no
NEW airport will arise. Just close the old airport and concentrate the
airplanes at other, nearby airports. Don't allow closure of the old
airport without having a replacement in hand.

There are TONS of airports in the midwest. LOTS of small towns and
every town has an airport. Very satisfying.

I am lucky to live north of Denver. We have 9 or 10 airports within a
20 minute flight. Small GA heaven!

The only permanent solution is to have a zone around the airport with
no houses.

No, you have a zone around the airport with houses that come with
hangars and taxiways.

Jose
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Dudley Henriques wrote:

This sounds like it's going to be an ongoing deal for some time Roger.
I hope it all goes well for your side in the end.
Reading this brought back some memories and Bea and I sat down last night
and got out some old records and photos.
Believe it or not, almost every small field where I either flew from or
instructed out of is now gone; some are housing developments; some are
shopping centers or malls. One is an industrial park.
It's absolutely amazing!
The entire face of aviation has changed.
The funny thing is that I've always wondered how Golf Courses have escaped
the developers ax that has been used on the small airports.
I figured it out once over lunch with a couple of "big money" guys at our
local country club. We figured that off the first tee with a good drive, the
ball would over fly about 10 million dollars of prime development real
estate.
(Actually for my drive, about 5 million dollars would about do it I think
:-)))))
You have to wonder about all that prime land with the airports and the golf
courses as well, just sitting there waiting for the right combination of
developer/politician/ and "the inevitable DEAL, this combo can produce!

I suspect it will happen in time. Golf will fade just as aviation is
fading. I suspect the driver, pun intended, :-) will be a shortage of
water given population trends in the US.

Already, there is a golf course near where I live, unfortunately the
closest course to where I live, that has gone into bankruptcy and was
foreclosed on by the bank. They are still maintaining it and trying to
sell it as a golf course, but it has been closed all this season and
rumors are that it is about to be sold to a construction company. Turns
out it is worth more for the topsoil on it than it is as a golf course.


Matt

Dudley Henriques wrote:

The funny thing is that I've always wondered how Golf Courses have escaped
the developers ax that has been used on the small airports.

It's pretty simple. Most golf courses aren't flat. Most airports are. Most golf
courses don't **** off neighbors a mile away; people just can't hit a golf ball
through a window at that distance. The noise at most airports is a problem, and
people who own land under the extended runway have a number of reasons to want
the airport closed.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Matt Whiting wrote:

I suspect the driver, pun intended, :-) will be a shortage of
water given population trends in the US.

I doubt that. While golf courses use tremendous quantities of water, it doesn't
have to be potable. In areas where the water table depth makes wells
prohibitively expensive, there may be no alternative for a course, but in most
places, there would be.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Many golf courses store rain water in ponds and use that to irrigate.
There is plenty of water in the US. It just isn't where the people are.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Matt Whiting wrote:

I suspect the driver, pun intended, :-) will be a shortage of water
given population trends in the US.

I doubt that. While golf courses use tremendous quantities of water,
it doesn't have to be potable. In areas where the water table depth
makes wells prohibitively expensive, there may be no alternative for a
course, but in most places, there would be.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your
neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:

The funny thing is that I've always wondered how Golf Courses have
escaped the developers ax that has been used on the small airports.

It's pretty simple. Most golf courses aren't flat. Most airports are. Most
golf courses don't **** off neighbors a mile away; people just can't hit a
golf ball through a window at that distance. The noise at most airports is
a problem, and people who own land under the extended runway have a number
of reasons to want the airport closed.

Although I'm not familiar at all with the golf course situation, I would
tend to disagree with what you call a simple answer.
The fact that the golf courses aren't as flat as airports would have little
to do with the real estate value as that would relate to possible
development. Any vertical landscape issues are easily solved by developers.
Secondly, the comparison between the behavior found on golf courses and that
found at airports is of little value in any pure assessment of real estate
in the development sense.
The actual fact is that many golf courses are under direct view by
developers as we speak.
These answers are seldom "simple".
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote:


The fact that the golf courses aren't as flat as airports would have little
to do with the real estate value as that would relate to possible
development.

It has a great deal to do with it around here. Grading the development
(especially for a commercial development project) is very expensive. If you
start with an airport, much of the job is already done.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:


The fact that the golf courses aren't as flat as airports would have
little to do with the real estate value as that would relate to possible
development.

It has a great deal to do with it around here. Grading the development
(especially for a commercial development project) is very expensive. If
you start with an airport, much of the job is already done.

This is very true. Heavy grading is expensive, but grading is always
projected anyway in development construction. Even something as flat as an
airport will require some degree of grading during changeover to a
development or mall setting.
I've never seen grading as a deal killer in a project plan. It's simply
configured into the initial cost structure. Probably less for the airport,
but not a deal killer for the golf course :-)
DH

Since they have to remove the runways etc. and dig holes to bury water,
sewer, and other utilities, there is going to be a lot of dirt moved
regardless. In fact, the broken up concrete and asphalt would make the
start of some nice hills.

The real question is who owns the golf course or airport. If it is
privately owned and is the primary asset in the retirement plan, it
becomes which is worth mo land for development or as a golf course or
airport.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:


The fact that the golf courses aren't as flat as airports would have
little to do with the real estate value as that would relate to
possible development.

It has a great deal to do with it around here. Grading the development
(especially for a commercial development project) is very expensive.
If you start with an airport, much of the job is already done.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your
neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.