Two seats is all you need

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Bret Ludwig wrote:
It's well known the product liability crisis was an excuse to build
Citations instead of Skyhawks, and that such whore-ass "journalists" as
the allegedly great Richard Collins spiked any serious discussion of
the issue to keep the full page spreads coming.


You gotta stop taking those stupid pills. :-)

He's stuck on them.

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:48:47 -0800, Jerry Springer
wrote:

Bret Ludwig wrote:
Jerry Springer wrote:
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More manure



Where is your proof? How much original research on this have you done?
What primary sources can you quote? You are like all the other people
who believe whatever you are told instead of thinking the problem
through. That is to say, gullible.

How about experience from being in aviation since I was two years old
when my father bought his first airplane? The experience of being around
aviation and aviation people all of my life. Or maybe from being a
flight instructor since 1976? Gullible, I don't think so.
"Get-home-itis" can be caused by many factors, I don't believe you can
pin it on just pilots with family as you eluded to in another post.

Jerry

Getthereitis has a many causes as there are pilots or drivers.

What causes getthereitis in one pilot will cause stayputitis in
another.

If I take family and/or friends some where I tend to be more
conservative than when flying alone. I want their trip to be fun, not
scary. My wife has ridden on enough trips that IFR doesn't bother
her, but turbulence with the hard bumps (like chuckholes in a road)
do. When we go on vacation we plan on getting "there" today, or
tomorrow, or the day after and it's the same on the way home.

WE have 4 seats and long range, but normally I fly alone or with my
wife unless it's just short sight seeing trips. My wife and I in
front and the baggage compartment as well as the rear seats usually
ends up full. We've never learned to travel light. :-))

"From many years of flying" I would say "in general" family and
friends will cause an experienced pilot to be more conservative while
a pilot who has to be at work Monday morning my push it instead of
taking another day of vacation. Some places require vacation be
scheduled months in advance and there may be repercussions if you
don't make it back on time. OTOH some pilots would jump at the
excuse of squeezing in another day off.:-))

I've been thinking of taking a short trip just to shake out some of
the cobwebs as I've done little traveling in the past couple of years,
but with the wind forecast today being 30G60 I don't think it's going
to be this week end. OTOH I have flown over 500 miles on a day when
it was 30G50 and my wife was with me. I've never seen a ground speed
that high when flying that low, before or since. At 500 feet the winds
were over 100 at least for the first 100 to 150 miles. After that they
dropped to about a 40 knot tail wind.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Roger

Matt Barrow wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Bret Ludwig wrote:
It's well known the product liability crisis was an excuse to build
Citations instead of Skyhawks, and that such whore-ass "journalists" as
the allegedly great Richard Collins spiked any serious discussion of
the issue to keep the full page spreads coming.


You gotta stop taking those stupid pills. :-)

No, I'm sure I'm angry at people like Collins, because probably I'm
naive and believe people should write the truth instead of what will
keep the full page ads flowing in. The fact is, looking back, all the
magazines published what the advertisers wanted said, and that's the
way they stayed in business. As I get older I realize that is the
natural way of life, and common not only to airplane publications, but
all periodicals that take advertising. Camera magazines don't tell you
the old cameras were better and you shouldn't buy the new plastic
camera. Guitar magazines don't tell you the new Fender guitars are
poorly made and sound terrible and need a fret job so you can play
them. (That isn't true today but it was for almost a decade.) What can
I say, I was crazy then.

I have no love for trial lawyers and I would loive to see their income
crimped off, too. But the fact is , if any industry needed a hiding it
was this one.

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Bret Ludwig wrote:
It's well known the product liability crisis was an excuse to build
Citations instead of Skyhawks, and that such whore-ass "journalists"
as
the allegedly great Richard Collins spiked any serious discussion of
the issue to keep the full page spreads coming.


You gotta stop taking those stupid pills. :-)

No, I'm sure I'm angry at people like Collins, because probably I'm
naive and believe people should write the truth instead of what will
keep the full page ads flowing in.

How about the truth of answering the question put to you? (i.e., proof of
your original contention)

Until you answer that, the rest of your posts are properly ignored.

Limiting family trips in personal aircraft is good because that's what
generates get-home-itis and the kind of crashes that cause the alleged
liability problems.

What?? Where does that come from? Most all my flying is with my family.
I'm more likely to adjust my risk management assesemtn when I'm flying
by myself than with my family. Seems like you have some backwards logic
to me.

When you are flying with your family aboard, your "home" is in the back
seat!!

For sure. Flying with my wife and kids -- my usual mission profile --
makes me the most cautious pilot on the planet.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Robert M. Gary wrote:

I'm more likely to adjust my risk management assesemtn when I'm flying
by myself than with my family. Seems like you have some backwards logic
to me.

That's the way it was for me. Much less likely to take chances with my family on
board.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.