Another Cirrus Down

On 12/14/2005 15:59, Morgans wrote:

Oh come on, those guys never had to land with a crosswind - how hard
can that be? G

Now if they had to do all that WITHOUT arresting cables then I'd be
impressed..

Perhaps they could do like they tried with the C-130, and the JATO bottles
pointed backwards.

Hey wait a minute. If it worked would they be called JATOAL?

Well, you need to get a V (for vertical) in there somewhere, since that's
how the C-130 "landed" ;-)

--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

They also did some other tests with the C-130 and backwards JATOs.
There's a video of one of their attempts.

It shows the C-130 on final, then they fire the rockets. A bit
too early, as it turns out - the plane comes to a complete halt
when still around 50 feet in the air, and predictably, falls out
the sky.

Here's that video, Dylan:

http://alexisparkinn.com/photogaller...%20Landing.mpg

It's a remarkable display of altitude misjudgment...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

It shows the C-130 on final, then they fire the rockets. A bit
too early, as it turns out - the plane comes to a complete halt
when still around 50 feet in the air, and predictably, falls out
the sky.

Here's that video, Dylan:
http://alexisparkinn.com/photogaller...%20Landing.mpg
It's a remarkable display of altitude misjudgment...

The amazing thing to me is that those rockets did stop forward progress
really well. The distance over the ground after firing appeared well less
of 500 feet.

Of course, adding in the vertical vector nearly straight down didn't help,
and all the drag created by the gear and wings digging into the ground
probably helped too.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:85gof.630703$_o.389483@attbi_s71...
They also did some other tests with the C-130 and backwards JATOs.
There's a video of one of their attempts.

It shows the C-130 on final, then they fire the rockets. A bit
too early, as it turns out - the plane comes to a complete halt
when still around 50 feet in the air, and predictably, falls out
the sky.

Here's that video, Dylan:

http://alexisparkinn.com/photogaller...%20Landing.mpg

It's a remarkable display of altitude misjudgment...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck


The line between a good landing and ripping the damn wings off the thing is
not that much different!

Kind of reminds me of my first solo night landing, I can't believe I didn't
bend the landing gear!

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DW

Bob

I learned somethig each time I flew even after thousands of hours.

If you have quit learning then you should quit flying.

Big John
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:42:28 GMT, Bob Moore
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote
An unsafe pilot is one who no longer considers him/herself to be a
student.

Well, I sure as hell don't consider myself to still be a student.
Not after 20,000+ flight hours.

Bob Moore
ATP B-707 B-727 L-188
Flight Instructor Airplane/Instrument Airplane
USN S-2F P-2V P-3B
PanAm (retired)

Darkwing" theducksmail"AT wrote:
Kind of reminds me of my first solo night landing, I can't believe I didn't
bend the landing gear!



Neither could we. G




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
...
Darkwing" theducksmail"AT wrote:
Kind of reminds me of my first solo night landing, I can't believe I
didn't
bend the landing gear!



Neither could we. G




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN


So here I am getting ready to flare, power out, so I come level about a foot
or two off the runway, hold a nose high attitude and just wait on the mains
to touch and I'm still waiting and it's sinking and I'm STILL WAITING and
it's still SINKING and I'm STILL waiting then I think OH **** I'M TO HIGH!
BAM! The bottom fell out and I SLAMMED that 172 into the runway. How I
didn't crash it I don't know. I must of been 4-6 feet off the runway, not
1-2. I promptly got my instructor in the plane and relearned how to
visualize night landings.

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DW

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote in message
...
So here I am getting ready to flare, power out, so I come level about a
foot or two off the runway, hold a nose high attitude and just wait on the
mains to touch and I'm still waiting and it's sinking and I'm STILL
WAITING and it's still SINKING and I'm STILL waiting then I think OH ****
I'M TO HIGH! BAM! The bottom fell out and I SLAMMED that 172 into the
runway. How I didn't crash it I don't know. I must of been 4-6 feet off
the runway, not 1-2. I promptly got my instructor in the plane and
relearned how to visualize night landings.

Glad nothing broke!

Apart from visualizing, it's very handy to develop the reflex of applying
power as soon as you start to feel the bottom drop out. That saved me once
in a similar situation. Immediately after applying power, I was prepared to
go around, but instead I found myself touching down gently, so I just cut
the power and accepted the landing.

--Gary

Dylan Smith wrote:

On 2005-12-14, Morgans wrote:

Oh come on, those guys never had to land with a crosswind - how hard
can that be? G

Now if they had to do all that WITHOUT arresting cables then I'd be
impressed..

Perhaps they could do like they tried with the C-130, and the JATO bottles
pointed backwards.


They also did some other tests with the C-130 and backwards JATOs.
There's a video of one of their attempts.

It shows the C-130 on final, then they fire the rockets. A bit
too early, as it turns out - the plane comes to a complete halt
when still around 50 feet in the air, and predictably, falls out
the sky. The wings break off, bits of propellor shower the scene, flames
shoot out the stubs of the broken wings. While this is going on,
the narrator of the video in a bored voice says dryly, "Due to
a combination of factors, the rockets were fired prematurely
leading to an excessively hard landing"

You must not have seen the same video I did as the C-130 didn't even
come close to a complete stop in the air. It hit the runway at what
appeared to be 50 or so MPH and was still moving forward when the fires
broke out and it veered to the right.

Matt

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:41:19 -0500, "Darkwing"
theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote in
: :

BAM! The bottom fell out and I SLAMMED that 172 into the runway. How I
didn't crash it I don't know. I must of been 4-6 feet off the runway, not
1-2.

I once landed at an unlit airport at night without benefit of landing
light. I just set up a 500'/minute descent and let it find the
runway. Worked fine.