Seaplane down off Miami Beach....

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Jim Macklin wrote:
Reports I saws this morning said that the NTSB said they found a fatigue
crack in the main spar, maybe the conversion was not done well or the
maintenance was not though enough. I'll bet the fleet is grounded and
they require immediate, "before further flight" NDT inspections of the
wings, etc.

Chalk's has voluntarily grounded thier Mallards and is performing an
exhaustive test of the spars on one of them now. The NTSB rep voiced the
opinion that age alone would not be sufficient to cause this failure; some
additional stress would be required.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

How frequently were these airplanes operated off of water? Wouldn't water
takeoff's and landings typically be more stressful (because you're getting
bashed around by waves) than landing on a nice smooth runway? I suspect it
would be even worse if you dug in a wing float or hit a wave with a wing
float "at speed".

KB

"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
How frequently were these airplanes operated off of water? Wouldn't water
takeoff's and landings typically be more stressful (because you're getting
bashed around by waves) than landing on a nice smooth runway? I suspect
it
would be even worse if you dug in a wing float or hit a wave with a wing
float "at speed".

The fleet operates off the water every day. Chalks opts to land on the water
at stations were runways are available. It's part of the experience for the
passengers. Seaplane operations are much more demanding than landplane
operations, particularly in sal****er environs. These airplanes were built
tough, but they were designed when finite element analysis was in it's
infancy.

What the press hasn't mentioned, because they don't know, is that seaplane
operations have more incidents than similar landbased operations. It comes
with the territory. Chalks has had numerous hard landings were floats have
been knocked off. A Chalk's Mallard hit a bridge piling with a wingtip
during take-off from Paradise Island a few years back. It happens much more
often at Chalks than at other South Florida operators because of the water
environment. That's just the way it is. Grumman seaplanes are tough, but
there has been additional stress applied to Chalk's spars. I suspect that
the NTSB rep's opinion may be correct. Additionally, there are areas of the
spar that are difficult to inspect visually. Even with a proper inspection
revealing no cracks, work hardening of the metal may have been reaching
catastrophic limits. How does one inspect metal spars for work hardening if
there are no cracks? How long does it take for a crack to propagate to
catastrophic lengths?

The recent ADs for the T-34 and T-6 fleets, and the Aero-Commander 500 fleet
before that (the spar cracks AD, not the dissimilar metal corrosion AD),
should have instigated more research into aging aircraft and work hardening
of the spars. Perhaps this tragedy will be the catalyst.

D.

Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper
Jim Macklin


Go **** yourself

Matt Whiting wrote:

Merry Christmas
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Live Long and Prosper
Jim Macklin



Go **** yourself


I've reported this impersonater to hotmail, but who knows if they will
do anything about it.

Hopefully, anyone who has read my posts in the r.a.* newsgroups over the
years, knows that I don't use language like this.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Matt Whiting wrote:

Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper Jim Macklin



Go **** yourself


I've reported this impersonater to hotmail, but who knows if they will do
anything about it.

Hopefully, anyone who has read my posts in the r.a.* newsgroups over the
years, knows that I don't use language like this.

Matt

You need to report him to Google as it looks like that is where he was
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Matt Whiting wrote:


Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper Jim Macklin



Go **** yourself


I've reported this impersonater to hotmail, but who knows if they will do
anything about it.

Hopefully, anyone who has read my posts in the r.a.* newsgroups over the
years, knows that I don't use language like this.

Matt


You need to report him to Google as it looks like that is where he was
posting from.

Yes, I did that as well as soon as I looked at the full header. Thanks.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

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Matt Whiting wrote:


Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper Jim Macklin



Go **** yourself


I've reported this impersonater to hotmail, but who knows if they
will do anything about it.

Hopefully, anyone who has read my posts in the r.a.* newsgroups over
the years, knows that I don't use language like this.

Matt


You need to report him to Google as it looks like that is where he was
posting from.

Yes, I did that as well as soon as I looked at the full header. Thanks.

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It originates in Reston Va. with Level3 Communications

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Looks like the fake MW is jeopardizing his dial-up Internet account. I
didn't think anyone in the US used dial-up anymore, what with cheap
broadband almost ubiquitous.

--
Peter

Peter R. wrote:

Looks like the fake MW is jeopardizing his dial-up Internet account. I
didn't think anyone in the US used dial-up anymore, what with cheap
broadband almost ubiquitous.

Not everybody lives in the city, even some that do prefer the cheaper
dialup vs the more expensive always on...

WiFi holds the most potential for broadband if you have line of sight...

At my age, I'll probably have to.



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