ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine

Actually, I would place some culpability on the FBO (presumably) that
rented the PIC the aircraft.

Why?

How much nanny do you want in life?

Jose
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:54:30 GMT, "Mike Schumann"
wrote in
et::

Obviously the pilot is the one responsible.

Actually, I would place some culpability on the FBO (presumably) that
rented the PIC the aircraft. However, that in no way diminishes the
multiple transgressions of the PIC.


Sheaffer owned a share in the C-150, no mention of an FBO....
--
Dan DeVillers
http://www.ameritech.net/users/ddevillers/start.html


..

Maybe there should be some
periodic retest to make sure people still have the skills they need or have
learned about new stuff that didn't exist when they first got their license.

there is, it's the BFR; was the CFI who signed
this guy last BFR questioned in this incident?

--Sylvain

"Wizard of Draws" wrote in message
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On 1/3/06 11:55 AM, in article
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"Gary Drescher" wrote:

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
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I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS
required
for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and
looking out the window?

You have zero sympathy for the student-pilot passenger who hadn't even
begun
his cross-country flight-training yet? What sort of navigational
responsibility do you expect such a passenger to bear? (The FAA, of
course,
found him to be blameless.)

--Gary


The "student/pilot passenger" was flying.

The passenger was manipulating the controls, yes. But that in no way places
any navigational responsibility on him--especially since his cross-country
training hadn't even begun yet.

--Gary

("Matt Whiting" wrote)
Gene (70 is only 15 away) Seibel

You're 85 and still using a computer! I'm impressed!! :-)


By 85 when the darn thing bogs down or freezes up - life IS too short ...12
lb sledge hammer time!!


Montblack
BTDT and I'm only 45!

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
. ..
"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
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I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS
required for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a
map and looking out the window?

You have zero sympathy for the student-pilot passenger who hadn't even
begun his cross-country flight-training yet? What sort of navigational
responsibility do you expect such a passenger to bear? (The FAA, of
course, found him to be blameless.)

Obviously the pilot is the one responsible. But you would think that a
stundent pilot with 30 hours, particularly one who is going along to get
cross country experience would have a little better grasp of map reading
and basic navigation.

His number of hours tells you nothing useful; different students can be at
very different points in their training at the same number of hours. What's
relevant is that this particular student had not yet had any cross-country
training. Why would you expect a student at that stage to already be
competent to read charts and navigate?

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote

The passenger was manipulating the controls, yes. But that in no way
places any navigational responsibility on him--especially since his
cross-country training hadn't even begun yet.

I thought I remembered that the 70 yr old was flying, until intercepted; the
student took over at that point. No?
--
Jim in NC

Ron Natalie wrote:

If they'd drawn a straight line between Smoketown and Lumberton, they
would have pretty much missed the entire ADIZ mess (and the class B as
well).

When I plug that in to my flight planner, the course goes nearly right over DCA.
Straight through the FRZ.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

..Blueskies. wrote:

The helicopter had a 'well armed' person on board and presented a sign that said contact 121.5. When they dialed up
121.5 all they heard was and ELT beep-beep-beep swamping out the frequency.

Then the chopper had them switch to another frequency. There was nothing on it
at all. Outside parties claim the chopper's radio was inoperative; the HSA
refuses to comment on that.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Larry Dighera wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:54:30 GMT, "Mike Schumann"
wrote in
et::


Obviously the pilot is the one responsible.


Actually, I would place some culpability on the FBO (presumably) that
rented the PIC the aircraft. However, that in no way diminishes the
multiple transgressions of the PIC.

He was part owner of the aircraft.