421C down in Washington State

wrote \

I've read about new Cirrus SR22 owners paying $8000 for their first
year's insurance. That seems incredible to me that a cabin-class
pressurized turbo'd twin like a 421 could cost less to insure than a
fixed-gear single.

It doesn't seem incredible to me, in the least bit, after reading about the
rash of crunched up Cirri.
--
Jim in NC

"gatt" wrote

I'm near the Gorge, in the Portland area, and haven't flown in a month
because of the wind/weather. Waiting to get my approaches in, but the
weather's not even good enough for IFR practice most days. (No approach
at the home field)

Is there no gps instrument approach?
--
Jim in NC

Afterthought...he told Seattle Center that he was having problems. We don't
know what those problems were, and he may not have given Center much info on
them.

He could have hired an instrument-rated commercial pilot to accompany him (I
logged more than a few hours doing this), or could have simply paid someone
to fly the trip while he relaxed...I've flown some rated pilots under those
conditions.

Bottom line: Sophisticated airplane, VFR pilot, bad weather....deadly
combination if anything goes wrong.
Scott D wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:57:33 +0100, G Farris wrote:

In article . com,
says...


I would think that few insurance companies would insure a pilot in a
421 without an Instrument rating!


I don't pretend to know how the insurance companies see it, but that is a
lot of airplane to manage for a single pilot - IR rated or not. In many
ways, a KingAir would be "easier" to fly in those conditions.

GF

How is the 421C a lot of airplane for one pilot? I find it quiet easy
for one pilot. With all the switches located on the left side of the
seat, I find it much easier for one pilot to operate than for two. It
is hard for the copilot to activate a lot of stuff like the lights,
deicing/anti icing equipment... you name it. There is not much
accessible for a right seat pilot to reach without interfering with
the left seat pilot.

Scott D.

take out the obvious to email me

NDB is just a radio station that is used by the ADF as a source for
the directional loop antenna to point to.

Ok, I guess I remember my grandfather telling me about those things.

-Robert, CFI

On 27 Jan 2006 07:37:42 -0800, "
wrote:

I recently talked with an owner of a 421 that had relatively low multi
engine time. He was partnered with another multi pilot. Both are
instrument rated. He told me that the first year's insurance was over
$7000
and that was after a Flight Safety course and 60 hours with high time
421
MEI.

I've read about new Cirrus SR22 owners paying $8000 for their first
year's insurance. That seems incredible to me that a cabin-class
pressurized turbo'd twin like a 421 could cost less to insure than a
fixed-gear single.

Need to consider the hull-values side of the equation to make certain
this is an apples/apples comparison. Pricing on a 421 can range from
the low $100k to over $500k for a decked out 421C. SR22's range from
$225 to nearly $400k.

Regardless, you would think the cost of new props and engine overhaul
on a 421, combined with the risk of a gear-up landing would make the
421 insurance much more expensive than with an SR22.

-Nathan

AMC ran the John Wayne/Ernest Gann classic THE HIGH and the
MIGHTY last week. I noticed that the GCA controller told
them they were below the GS, but then they showed the ILS
indicator and they had a 1/2 scale fly down.


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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
| NDB is just a radio station that is used by the ADF as a
source for
| the directional loop antenna to point to.
|
| Ok, I guess I remember my grandfather telling me about
those things.
|
| -Robert, CFI
|

It doesn't seem incredible to me, in the least bit, after reading about the rash of crunched up Cirri.
--
Jim in NC

There were 15 Cirrus crashes last year.
There were 59 Cessna 182 crashes last year.



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Thank you buddy, hope they find him alive and well.

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"JJS" jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net wrote in message
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It doesn't seem incredible to me, in the least bit, after reading about
the rash of crunched up Cirri.
--
Jim in NC

There were 15 Cirrus crashes last year.
There were 59 Cessna 182 crashes last year.

Means nothing. How many 182 vs Cirrus are flying? My guess it won't look
good for Cirrus.




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I recently talked with an owner of a 421 that had relatively low multi
engine time. He was partnered with another multi pilot. Both are
instrument rated. He told me that the first year's insurance was over
$7000
and that was after a Flight Safety course and 60 hours with high time
421
MEI.

I've read about new Cirrus SR22 owners paying $8000 for their first
year's insurance. That seems incredible to me that a cabin-class
pressurized turbo'd twin like a 421 could cost less to insure than a
fixed-gear single.

I heard it's up to $15K for first year on a Cirrus.

I haven't checked that with my agent, but it sure sounds outrageous.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
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