Anyone dissapointed with Oshgosh?

"Ida Covey"

Can we infer from your statements, such as;

Most white collar workers that I know [snip]

That you are actually referring to blue collar workers? They're the ones who
actually work. White collar refers to those who "plan" or manage, etc.

AL

AL wrote:

"Ida Covey"

Can we infer from your statements, such as;

Most white collar workers that I know [snip]

That you are actually referring to blue collar workers? They're the ones who
actually work. White collar refers to those who "plan" or manage, etc.

AL

You're not insinuating that "planning" or "managing" isn't wor?. You obviously
never had to do that for some of the less motivated employees. I believe that
"mental" work is sometimes MUCH harder that physical.

Warren

Barnyard BOb -- wrote:



I'f I'm wrong...
NEVER MIND.

Blue Collar BOb --

Oh, I had been there long enough to know that I didn't want to be there anymore
than absolutely necessary. I "worked" my war through college so I didn't have to
"work" (by your definition) anymore.

White collar Warren (most, but not all of the time)

I'f I'm wrong...
NEVER MIND.

Blue Collar BOb --

Oh, I had been there long enough to know that I didn't want to be there anymore
than absolutely necessary. I "worked" my war through college so I didn't have to
"work" (by your definition) anymore.

White collar Warren (most, but not all of the time)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Well, I went on to get a college education,
but it wasn't necessary for any work I ever
much cared about.

My kids and wife all have Masters degrees
and WORK at white collar jobs with good pay.... but,
my roots and heart will forever remain genuine 'blue collar'.

It's a state of mind and one should never forget their
roots and the blue collar generations that sacrificed
so much so the next generation could have it 'better'.

YMMV.

SOAPBOX = OFF

Barnyard BOb --

Barnyard BOb -- wrote:

I'f I'm wrong...
NEVER MIND.

Blue Collar BOb --

Oh, I had been there long enough to know that I didn't want to be there anymore
than absolutely necessary. I "worked" my war through college so I didn't have to
"work" (by your definition) anymore.

White collar Warren (most, but not all of the time)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Well, I went on to get a college education,
but it wasn't necessary for any work I ever
much cared about.

My kids and wife all have Masters degrees
and WORK at white collar jobs with good pay.... but,
my roots and heart will forever remain genuine 'blue collar'.

It's a state of mind and one should never forget their
roots and the blue collar generations that sacrificed
so much so the next generation could have it 'better'.

YMMV.

SOAPBOX = OFF

Barnyard BOb --

Unfortunately, the blue collar workers around here are so intent in increasing their
membership, they are pricing the parts their company makes so high that the companies
are losing business, and going out of business. It is difficult to compete with low
cost "off shore" businesses. The option is parts and products that nobody will be
able to afford.

I am not a UAW fan, with some of their ridiculous "demands". like new laptops and high
speed internet for all union members paid for by the company.

In article , Warren & Nancy
writes:


That you are actually referring to blue collar workers? They're the ones
who
actually work. White collar refers to those who "plan" or manage, etc.

AL

You're not insinuating that "planning" or "managing" isn't wor?. You
obviously
never had to do that for some of the less motivated employees. I believe
that
"mental" work is sometimes MUCH harder that physical.

Warren



Having done both I would like to agree but also having done both I will opt for
the "mental" work whenever possible. At least with the mental work I don't
hurt the next day.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:05:48 -0400, Warren & Nancy
wrote:


Unfortunately, the blue collar workers around here are so intent in increasing their
membership, they are pricing the parts their company makes so high that the companies
are losing business, and going out of business. It is difficult to compete with low
cost "off shore" businesses. The option is parts and products that nobody will be
able to afford.

I am not a UAW fan, with some of their ridiculous "demands". like new laptops and high
speed internet for all union members paid for by the company.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Total nonsense, Warren.
This dawg of yours won't ever hunt...
although very popular among folks that have
been schooled to believe such poppy-cock.

READ S-L-O-W-L-Y and deliberately, now....

The PRICE of vehicles is SET BY MARKET FORCES, never worker costs.
Regardless of worker demands or costs... GM would be derelict, by the
rules of capitalism, if they did not CHARGE ALL THE MARKET WOULD
BEAR. What they don't spend on workers is either put in the profit
column or in the pockets of management.

Most jobs lost to overseas are lost more to OSHA, EPA and
other government compliances than any worker attempting to
max out on the fortunes of his mega-billion dollar employer.

Case in point....
If the terminated shoe workers of the USA would work
for FREE, Nike still would not come back to the USA
when they can violate all standards of health and
humanity overseas by making $250 shoes for 75 cents.

Barnyard BOb --

Having done both I would like to agree but also having done both I will opt for
the "mental" work whenever possible. At least with the mental work I don't
hurt the next day.


Bob Reed
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

To play devil's advocate....

"Mental" work can literally be a KILLER.

Workers who earn their keep from physical work seldom
die from job stress. Not so true of hotshot managers
that daily "work out" in the company gym. g


Barnyard BOb --

In article , Barnyard BOb --
writes:


Having done both I would like to agree but also having done both I will opt
for
the "mental" work whenever possible. At least with the mental work I don't
hurt the next day.


Bob Reed
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

To play devil's advocate....

"Mental" work can literally be a KILLER.

Workers who earn their keep from physical work seldom
die from job stress. Not so true of hotshot managers
that daily "work out" in the company gym. g


Barnyard BOb --



No argument on that point only this observation.

People who are doing work that they hate, be it work the assembly line or work
the management ladder, are more likely to die from stress. If you are doing
work that you enjoy, even if you don't get paid as much as you like, it will
probably not kill you (Not from stress anyway.)


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Barnyard BOb -- wrote

excellent stuff snipped
The PRICE of vehicles is SET BY MARKET FORCES, never worker costs.
Regardless of worker demands or costs... GM would be derelict, by the
rules of capitalism, if they did not CHARGE ALL THE MARKET WOULD
BEAR. What they don't spend on workers is either put in the profit
column or in the pockets of management.

Most jobs lost to overseas are lost more to OSHA, EPA and
other government compliances than any worker attempting to
max out on the fortunes of his mega-billion dollar employer.

Case in point....
If the terminated shoe workers of the USA would work
for FREE, Nike still would not come back to the USA
when they can violate all standards of health and
humanity overseas by making $250 shoes for 75 cents.

Barnyard BOb --

You just described the past situation of Reback (can't spell) in the
Philippines. Their government got greedy and started putzing around
with their business (extortion) and Rebak moved it to mainland China.
The workers in both places have no benifits at all and make "zip point
****" an hour. If you doubled their wages it wouldn't be what the gov
was gouging the shoe maker for. Estrada: by some counts squirreled
away more than Marcos did of the Philippine treasury. The only answer
for us blue collar slobs: Unionize and strike. Otherwise the robber
barrons of this world will reach into your pocket and squeeze
everything thats down there. Bad management deserves unionization.

pacplyer
there's nothing like flying under a contract