Rotax engines- LSA's hope, or curse?

"Montblack" wrote -

In this use, I think you intended to use the acronym "LSA". g

Yep, that is a possibility!

It would be better than the curse part, which is what I restrained from
doing. g
--
Jim in NC

wrote in message
oups.com...
When I was a full time CFI in 2001, my flight school had an early
Katana with the 80hp Rotax & CS prop. I took an interest in the plane
(nobody else did - it was a ramp queen) and flew it probably 15-20
hours. While that is hardly enough time to make a truly informed
opinion about the engine, I've heard from A&P types that the 4 strokes
hold up quite well, even with their funky combination air/liquid
cooling. At 5gph in cruise @ 115kt (Katana) it's cheap to run as well.
The TBO was raised from 1200 to 1500 in 2003, and even though that's
still low compared to the typical 2000TBO for most NA Contis & Lycs I'm
guessing overhaul costs are proportional.

Then why did Diamond dump the Rotax for Continentals?

"Dana M. Hague" d(dash)m(dash)hague(at)comcast(dot)net wrote in message
...
Taylorcraft, too, is back, building Taylorcrafts and Taylor Cubs with
0-200 engines, a bit cheaper ($69,995). Models with 0-235 or 0-360
are also available, for more money, though those won't be LSA... and
the mother of all indecencies, a *nosewheel* equipped version...

Good grief!!!! Hide the women and children and whatever you do don't let
them look at such a monstrosity.


-Dana

" Considering that Lycoming and Continental have BILLIONS (TRILLIONS ?? )
of
hours flying, it's not surprising that they've killed more pilots. What's
also amusing is people that can't correlate data but shoot their mouth off
anyway.


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Oh yes... thank you, I see now, your data is much more precise than mine
(BILLIONS and TRILLIONS). Oh, hang on! you have no data either. Perhaps
you should correlate some data and then proceed to shoot your mouth off.

While we are on the subject, Morgans advised that two LSA aircraft with
Rotax engines crashed after engine failures and even though they were
probably the ultralight two stroke Rotax engines, he will never fly any LSA
at all and particularly with any Rotax engine including the ultra reliable
four stroke 912 or the unrelated Jabiru engine. There is simply no
comparison between a two stroke Rotax a four stroke Rotax and a Jabiru,
please, are we really that stupid to bundle all LSA aircraft and engines
into one basket because of two crashes?

By the way, a friend of mine was flying a Russian utility plane with an M14P
radial engine when it threw a rod/piston and the engine failed. As a
result, you will not find me flying an all metal GA aircraft, particularly
Cessna's and Pipers with piston engines made by Lycomming or Continental!

Bob.

"Morgans" wrote in message
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Only because they have about a bazillion more engines flying! Golly, are
you that dense?

Jesus! a BAZILLION! that's more than Matt's BILLIONS & TRILLIONS. Come on,
how old are you two guys? Eight? Does you parents know that your playing on
the internet?

Yes, they do, and many times because of neglect, of one form or another.
On the other hand, the two LSA's that went down with their Rotax engines
had just been through the approval process, and have no doubt received
much attention and scruitiny. I certainly would not have expected a new
demonstrator to fail. But, where there are Rotax, .....

Possible reasons for EFATO:-

1. Pilot forgot to turn on the fuel tap before take off.
2. Pilot forgot to put two stroke oil in the engine before take off.
3. Pilot forgot to put fuel in the tank before take off.
4. Pilot forgot to open cowl flaps and cooked the engine on take off.
5. Pilot forgot to turn on fuel pump before take off.

Any of the above could have happened and would have or may have caused an
engine failure on a new engine/aircraft.none are the fault of the engine.

In this use, I think you intended to use the spelling of "you're."

Thank you for YOUR correction of my typo. YOUR understanding of the English
language is impeccable. I've probably made a "BAZILLION" more typos in my
time.

Jim in NC
Bob in QLD

"Bob O'Rilley" wrote in message
...

" Considering that Lycoming and Continental have BILLIONS (TRILLIONS ?? )
of
hours flying, it's not surprising that they've killed more pilots. What's
also amusing is people that can't correlate data but shoot their mouth
off anyway.


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Oh yes... thank you, I see now, your data is much more precise than mine
(BILLIONS and TRILLIONS). Oh, hang on! you have no data either. Perhaps
you should correlate some data and then proceed to shoot your mouth off.

Thanks you for aptly demonstrating you have no clue what you're blabbering
about.


While we are on the subject, Morgans advised that two LSA aircraft with
Rotax engines crashed after engine failures and even though they were
probably the ultralight two stroke Rotax engines, he will never fly any
LSA at all and particularly with any Rotax engine including the ultra
reliable four stroke 912 or the unrelated Jabiru engine. There is simply
no comparison between a two stroke Rotax a four stroke Rotax and a Jabiru,
please, are we really that stupid to bundle all LSA aircraft and engines
into one basket because of two crashes?

By the way, a friend of mine was flying a Russian utility plane with an
M14P radial engine when it threw a rod/piston and the engine failed. As a
result, you will not find me flying an all metal GA aircraft, particularly
Cessna's and Pipers with piston engines made by Lycomming or Continental!

Bob.

Bob = Clueless

"Bob O'Rilley" wrote in message
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"Morgans" wrote in message
...

Only because they have about a bazillion more engines flying! Golly, are
you that dense?

Jesus! a BAZILLION! that's more than Matt's BILLIONS & TRILLIONS. Come
on, how old are you two guys? Eight? Does you parents know that your
playing on the internet?

[PLONK]

Take your POS salespitch and SIWTSDS

"Bob O'Rilley" wrote

While we are on the subject, Morgans advised that two LSA aircraft with
Rotax engines crashed after engine failures and even though they were
probably the ultralight two stroke Rotax engines, he will never fly any
LSA at all and particularly with any Rotax engine including the ultra
reliable four stroke 912 or the unrelated Jabiru engine.

Thanks for proving that you are not only an idiot, but a lazy idiot.

If you had taken two minutes to do a little research, you would have found
that both crashes were 4 stroke Rotaxes.

The first rule of getting out of a hole, is to stop digging, and take your
foot out of your mouth, also.
--
Jim in NC

"Dana M. Hague" d(dash)m(dash)hague(at)comcast(dot)net wrote

It's all about compromises.


There will be no compromise, when it is my but in the seat, thank you.
--
Jim in NC

Dave S wrote:

Then why did Diamond dump the Rotax for Continentals?

They initially offered both when the Conti was first available. The
Katana just needed more power. The higher cruise speed and much better
climb rate of the 125hp IO-240 Conti made a huge difference from what
I've read. Most Katanas are in school fleets so the higher TBO was
probably a factor in the engine swap IMO.