S-H safety harness (V2C)

An annoying property of my Ventus 2C is that the safety harness does
not hold me into the seat. When encountering turbulance my upper torso
leaves the seat and my head ocassionally hits the canopy.

The position of the shoulder strap anchors aft of the cockpit is high
enough that no downward force is exerted no matter how much the straps
are tightened. The only thing this achieves is pulling the buckle up
away from my abdomen.

Are there any solutions or workarounds for this prollum? (Besides
padding my hat?)

~ted/2NO

Ted,

You did not say what system you have. If you have a four point, I would
recommend upgrading to a six point harness. I did that on my Nimbus 2
and was the best investment I ever put in a glider. Will be doing the
same in my Ventus this summer.

I could run the ridge and near Vne final glides after that I was not
comfortable before.


Tim

wrote:
An annoying property of my Ventus 2C is that the safety harness does
not hold me into the seat. When encountering turbulance my upper torso
leaves the seat and my head ocassionally hits the canopy.

The position of the shoulder strap anchors aft of the cockpit is high
enough that no downward force is exerted no matter how much the straps
are tightened. The only thing this achieves is pulling the buckle up
away from my abdomen.

Are there any solutions or workarounds for this prollum? (Besides
padding my hat?)

~ted/2NO


Same problem in my Discus A. There is space between the shoulder straps
and my shoulders.

I had a 5th attachment point installed in my ship and it was a
considerable improvement over the 4 point original equipment harness.
The crotch strap holds the lap belts in the proper position vertically
such that, once they're tight, I don't move up or forward at all; very
nice!.

Ray Warshaw


TTaylor at cc.usu.edu wrote:
Ted,

You did not say what system you have. If you have a four point, I would
recommend upgrading to a six point harness. I did that on my Nimbus 2
and was the best investment I ever put in a glider. Will be doing the
same in my Ventus this summer.

I could run the ridge and near Vne final glides after that I was not
comfortable before.


Tim

I have a 4-point system. What's involved with getting a 6-point
harness?

Ray: how do you reconcile a crotch strap and a pilot relief system?

I use a "condom" style catheter with a collection bag strapped to my
leg; no spills and a large capacity. It's sold on-line by an outfit
called Stadium Pro. The fifth strap, if the attachment is correctly
placed, doesn't touch your privates; it's sole function is to keep the
lap belts in proper (low) position. I expect the fifth strap would
interfere with a pee bag or funnel system, though.

Given my somewhat plump body habitus, I'm highly (largely?) unlikely to
submarine under the lap belts. Someone more svelt might want to
consider the physics of having one's forward motion stopped largely by
that fifth strap, however.

Ray Warshaw
1LK

Flying a Ventus C with a 5 point system and an external catheter
linked to a dump tube exiting on the lower gear door.

When I need to use the system I unlock the gear to lower the doors,
and loosen the crotch strap. When finished I blow out the line with a
longer tube tee'd into the dump line, raise the gear, and tighten the
crotch strap.

Works fine.

Bob

On 24 Apr 2006 17:28:53 -0700, wrote:

I use a "condom" style catheter with a collection bag strapped to my
leg; no spills and a large capacity. It's sold on-line by an outfit
called Stadium Pro. The fifth strap, if the attachment is correctly
placed, doesn't touch your privates; it's sole function is to keep the
lap belts in proper (low) position. I expect the fifth strap would
interfere with a pee bag or funnel system, though.

... text deleted

Ray Warshaw
1LK

Shoulder straps are supposed to hold you back from moving *forward*. Belly
straps are supposed to hold you *down*. The crotch strap is suppposed to
keep the belly straps in position.

"Greg Arnold" . wrote in message
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wrote:
An annoying property of my Ventus 2C is that the safety harness does
not hold me into the seat. When encountering turbulance my upper torso
leaves the seat and my head ocassionally hits the canopy.

The position of the shoulder strap anchors aft of the cockpit is high
enough that no downward force is exerted no matter how much the straps
are tightened. The only thing this achieves is pulling the buckle up
away from my abdomen.

Are there any solutions or workarounds for this prollum? (Besides
padding my hat?)

~ted/2NO


Same problem in my Discus A. There is space between the shoulder straps
and my shoulders.

At 19:18 24 April 2006, wrote:
I have a 4-point system. What's involved with getting
a 6-point
harness?

Ray: how do you reconcile a crotch strap and a pilot
relief system?


I've never seen a six point for real but this is what's
involved:
http://www.lukeracing.co.uk/anat.php
There's also this company:
http://www.willansharness.com/

I think straps 5 & 6 are attached to the same hardpoints
as the lapstraps and prevent the buckle from sliding
up every time you tighten your shoulder straps.

Edward

wrote:
An annoying property of my Ventus 2C is that the safety harness does
not hold me into the seat. When encountering turbulance my upper torso
leaves the seat and my head ocassionally hits the canopy.

The position of the shoulder strap anchors aft of the cockpit is high
enough that no downward force is exerted no matter how much the straps
are tightened. The only thing this achieves is pulling the buckle up
away from my abdomen.

Are there any solutions or workarounds for this prollum? (Besides
padding my hat?)

~ted/2NO

Ted-
Design is done that way to prevent compression of spine in an accident.
Solution to your problem as noted elsewhere is 5th point holding seat
belts down and forward. Your belt should have provisions for this 5th
point in the latch.
Good luck
UH