MoGas users: Ethanol replacing MTBE

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Not here in Iowa. We've still got plenty of non-alcohol-contaminated
regular unleaded gasoline.


Did you have to make any changes in your plane to start using automotive
fuel, or did you just start using it? Thanks.

Did you have to make any changes in your plane to start using automotive
fuel, or did you just start using it? Thanks.

No physical changes are required to use 87 octane unleaded mogas in our
O-540-powered Piper. It's just a paperwork thing. (You have to buy
the STC in order for it to be "legal" to burn mogas...)

Luckily, a previous owner (2 or 3 owners ago) paid Petersen for that
STC, so I've been reaping that benefit ever since.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, iA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Grumman-581" wrote in message
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"John" wrote in message ...

Start a nuclear war and the world's problems slip away? Please explain.

Less people, less problems?


More parking spaces.

"Super Dave" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...

Not here in Iowa. We've still got plenty of non-alcohol-contaminated
regular unleaded gasoline.


Did you have to make any changes in your plane to start using automotive
fuel, or did you just start using it? Thanks.


Well the Peterson STC for my Cessna involved putting a sticker next to each
gas cap stating that mogas above 91 R+M octane was legal in all
concentrations mixed with 100 octane avgas, and a small clamp that is
stamped with the STC# is attached to one of the pushrod tubes. That it.
Nothing more except the usual logbook and STC paperwork. This is on a
O235L2C in a C-152.

The last engine burned avgas for the first 500 hours, and mogas for the next
1500 hours. My problems with lead fouled plugs disappeared when I switched
to mogas. But since I put in a new engine 400 hours ago, mogas where I live
is tainted with alcohol, so.... back to burning leaded avgas......and
cleaning my lower plugs very regularly, no thanks to our govenator and the
feds.
John Severyn
@KLVK

"JM" == Jim Macklin writes:
JM second
JM nuke IRAN

Ahh, the US's third world (aka Kansas, Oklahoma, and the South)
solution to everything: nuke 'em!

Would it be better to wait a few months or years for the
religious fanatics to have a dozen or even hundred nuclear
weapons and the missiles needed to strike 1,000 miles or
more? Almost all of Europe would be targeted and then the
world could have a two-sided nuclear war. France, Italy,
Germany, Russia, and Israel would all be attacked. The USA
might be safe from direct missile attack, but if you know
what will happen, why wait for the final step?

We can use conventional bombs, but we also need to be sure
that the underground factories are destroyed and they were
designed to be hardened, nukes will do the job.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Bob Fry" wrote in message
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| "JM" == Jim Macklin
writes:
| JM second
| JM nuke IRAN
|
| Ahh, the US's third world (aka Kansas, Oklahoma, and the
South)
| solution to everything: nuke 'em!

"Bob Fry" wrote in message
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Ahh, the US's third world (aka Kansas, Oklahoma, and the South)
solution to everything: nuke 'em!

Don' knock it 'till you've tried it...

Matt Barrow wrote:

"Grumman-581" wrote in message
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"John" wrote in message ...

Start a nuclear war and the world's problems slip away? Please explain.

Less people, less problems?


More parking spaces.

Yeah in a few hundred years they will be almost safe enough to be near.

Jim Macklin wrote:

Would it be better to wait a few months or years for the
religious fanatics to have a dozen or even hundred nuclear
weapons and the missiles needed to strike 1,000 miles or
more? Almost all of Europe would be targeted and then the
world could have a two-sided nuclear war. France, Italy,
Germany, Russia, and Israel would all be attacked. The USA
might be safe from direct missile attack, but if you know
what will happen, why wait for the final step?

We can use conventional bombs, but we also need to be sure
that the underground factories are destroyed and they were
designed to be hardened, nukes will do the job.

So what? Everytime someone else figures out how to construct a nuclear
bomb you attack them? Look it's not really groundbreaking technology
anymore to make a fission bomb. The hardest part is to enrich the
uranium (because it's a complicated process that requires a lot of
advanced chemistry and centrifuge technology,, not to mention a lot of
uranium ore) or the other alternative is to use plutonium (requires a
more complicated bomb design due to unwanted Pu-240), or maybe even
thorium. Plutonium, as a Doc said, is a little harder to come by if you
don't have your own reactor. But basically if you have enough U-235,
all you need to do is construct a conventional explosive device to smash
two sufficiently sized balls of uranium together, and presto! You have
an a-bomb. There's god-knows how much Soviet weapons grade material
that nobody knows what happened to floating around as well, so that
takes care of your enrichening problem.

If you're going to attack everyone who figures this out (no matter how
crazy they may want to be) you're going to be very very busy for a long
time. And how do you know where all of these supposed factories are?
What do you do when they are beneath apartment buildings or schools or
hospitals? And if you start bombing around, don't forget to duck when
the mail comes in back home.

One person's religious fanatic is another person's leader.

"J. Severyn" wrote:

"Super Dave" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...

Not here in Iowa. We've still got plenty of non-alcohol-contaminated
regular unleaded gasoline.


Did you have to make any changes in your plane to start using automotive
fuel, or did you just start using it? Thanks.


Well the Peterson STC for my Cessna involved putting a sticker next to each
gas cap stating that mogas above 91 R+M octane was legal in all
concentrations mixed with 100 octane avgas, and a small clamp that is
stamped with the STC# is attached to one of the pushrod tubes. That it.
Nothing more except the usual logbook and STC paperwork. This is on a
O235L2C in a C-152.

The last engine burned avgas for the first 500 hours, and mogas for the next
1500 hours. My problems with lead fouled plugs disappeared when I switched
to mogas. But since I put in a new engine 400 hours ago, mogas where I live
is tainted with alcohol, so.... back to burning leaded avgas......and
cleaning my lower plugs very regularly, no thanks to our govenator and the
feds.

Didn't AOPA say that a new unleaded avgas was going to save the day? 82UL or
something?