480 vs 430/G1000

Ron Natalie wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:

The mins right now on LOC approaches are lower than GPS approaches.
WAAS could enable lower mins, even if it didn't improvise a GS.


There are such approaches now: non-WAAS approaches with minimums
the same as the LOC minimums, and LNAV approaches without VNAV that
have minimums below the LOC ones.

Do you have an example? At SAC the LOC mins are about 300 AGL for the
last 5 nm of the approach, right over houses, etc. Perhaps GPS is only
allowed as an overlay for the LOC approaches with very high mins?

-Robert

Kobra wrote:

Not to be the whiner of the group, especially over a great product, such as,
the 480...BUT...this reminds me of another feature sorely lacking in this
box. It offers no VFR vertical guidance as the x96's have. IOW...it won't
tell you when to start a decent at X feet per minute to arrive at Y feet
above the airport elevation, Z miles from the final destination. I know
that this is not needed in an IFR situation, but geez didn't they think the
480 would be flown by general aviation VFR occasionally?

Gee, I've flown VFR for 25 years and never had to have a GPS tell me
when to descend. Besides it's pretty trivial. The box tells you
MINUTES to destination. For a 500 FPM descent just multiply the
the altitude you want to lose by 2 and start then.

Robert M. Gary wrote:
Ron Natalie wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:

The mins right now on LOC approaches are lower than GPS approaches.
WAAS could enable lower mins, even if it didn't improvise a GS.


There are such approaches now: non-WAAS approaches with minimums
the same as the LOC minimums, and LNAV approaches without VNAV that
have minimums below the LOC ones.

Do you have an example? At SAC the LOC mins are about 300 AGL for the
last 5 nm of the approach, right over houses, etc. Perhaps GPS is only
allowed as an overlay for the LOC approaches with very high mins?

There are tons of them.

Just digging through my subscription in alphabetical order, ALB
has an ILS RWY 1 that has loc minimums of 740, GPS RWY 1 has 720.
BAF's ILS 20 and GPS 20 both have mins of 800'.

Both of these do have relatively high loc mins (450 AGL or so)
so that may be the case.

Gee, I've flown VFR for 25 years and never had to have a GPS tell me
when to descend. Besides it's pretty trivial. The box tells you
MINUTES to destination. For a 500 FPM descent just multiply the
the altitude you want to lose by 2 and start then.

Geez, Ron...under that philosophy...twenty-five years ago I never needed a
wireless remote control to change the channels on my TV. I wonder what
everyone's attitude would be if all TV manufacturers from this day forward
neglected to engineer that convenience in. Twenty-five years ago we didn't
need the internet and we all got along just fine. So I guess it's ok to
shut it down. (all said in good cheer ... really)

Kobra

Geez, Ron...under that philosophy...twenty-five years ago I never needed a
wireless remote control to change the channels on my TV.

Well, to be fair it's not like having a remote control with which you
can choose the channel. It's more like the remote control reminding you
that "Howdy Doody is on, don't forget to watch it!". Oh wait - the TV
does that all by itself.

Jose
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Kobra writes:

Geez, Ron...under that philosophy...twenty-five years ago I never needed a
wireless remote control to change the channels on my TV. I wonder what
everyone's attitude would be if all TV manufacturers from this day forward
neglected to engineer that convenience in.

That would be fine with me, as I've always found remote controls to be
an inconvenience.

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Jose wrote:
Geez, Ron...under that philosophy...twenty-five years ago I never needed a
wireless remote control to change the channels on my TV.

Well, to be fair it's not like having a remote control with which you
can choose the channel. It's more like the remote control reminding you
that "Howdy Doody is on, don't forget to watch it!". Oh wait - the TV
does that all by itself.

I keep telling my kids that when I was a kid, there was no TiVo. They
totally don't understand. The concept that you would watch the clock
for your show to be on or have to program a VCR just seems alien to
them. In their world, their shows just appear on the Tivo. They don't
know when they are on or what channel they are on.
Of course, they also can't figure out how grandma dials her phone when
its got this strange wheel on it where the buttons are suppose to be.

-Robert

Worse yet... a world with no Internet. At a family dinner, we started
talking about an old tube radio an uncle has from the 40's. It was the
old style in a cabinet and it picked up 5-6 shortwave bands and the
current AM band. Additionally, it actually played 78-speed records!

My cousins, not even in their teens, hadn't a clue and thought we should
just throw it out--it's "useless". I would love to restore it.

Regarding the VCRs.... You also had to make sure you selected the right
speed of tape otherwise you might miss the last half of your show.
Never mind it was always advisable to be around somewhere, just in case
the VCR didn't kick on right or it ate the tape. Did you even say the
word "Betamax" yet? LOL

Chris G., PP-ASEL
Salem, Oregon

Robert M. Gary wrote:
Jose wrote:
Geez, Ron...under that philosophy...twenty-five years ago I never needed a
wireless remote control to change the channels on my TV.
Well, to be fair it's not like having a remote control with which you
can choose the channel. It's more like the remote control reminding you
that "Howdy Doody is on, don't forget to watch it!". Oh wait - the TV
does that all by itself.

I keep telling my kids that when I was a kid, there was no TiVo. They
totally don't understand. The concept that you would watch the clock
for your show to be on or have to program a VCR just seems alien to
them. In their world, their shows just appear on the Tivo. They don't
know when they are on or what channel they are on.
Of course, they also can't figure out how grandma dials her phone when
its got this strange wheel on it where the buttons are suppose to be.

-Robert

Additionally, it actually played 78-speed records!

You mean them cylindrical things with the grooves on the outside?

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.