North Korea's Air Force and The Bomb

Since I'm tired of reading questions about the development of
anti-matter-powered Beechcraft ejection seats, I thought I'd toss this
topic onto the newsgroup's platter: North Korea.

In pondering why we (the US -- and the World) haven't responded more
forcefully to the North Korean nuclear tests, which seem to confirm our
greatest fears, I found the following tid-bits of information:

- That tiny country (smaller than the state of Mississippi) has an air
force comprised of 1,620 combat aircraft, and 274 helicopters!
- They've got over 8,800 anti-aircraft guns
- They're fielding a 1,000,000-man military force, with a population of
just 23 million
- They have just 36 paved-runway airports
- Their GDP is just $40 billion per year -- far less than Bill Gates is
worth, personally.
- Some of their planes are stationed just 6 minutes' flight from Seoul

Their pilot training is apparently abyssmal, thanks to fuel and spare
parts shortages. (One estimate shows that their pilots are flying just
7 hours per YEAR.) However, they have fielded an incredible fighting
force, at the expense of virtually all else. They have suffered 11
straight years of food shortages, and are able to feed themselves only
because of outside aid -- yet they persist in developing incredibly
expensive weapons systems, like missiles and atomic bombs.

In short, these folks are truly, really scary. I honestly didn't think
much of them, until recently, but I now fully understand their "axis of
evil" designation -- and why we're hesitating to react.

Here are some decent sources of more information:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...k/airforce.htm
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...k/geos/kn.html

So what should we do? Nothing? That seems to be the United Nation's
current "strategy"...but I don't see much hope in that approach.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
snip

One of the worst thing about the "war on terror" (besides the fact I've
lost hundreds of dollars in toiletries) is that it distracts us from
situations like North Korea.

I am supposed to go to Seoul in December for business and I can't say
that it's something I'm looking forward to.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ps.com...
They have suffered 11
straight years of food shortages, and are able to feed themselves only
because of outside aid --

Haven't really kept up on this as I know I should, but to me, the foreign
aid should be the first thing to stop!
Crash Lander

On 15 Oct 2006 17:23:47 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote:

So what should we do? Nothing? That seems to be the United Nation's
current "strategy"...but I don't see much hope in that approach.


The world (ie the UN) is going to nothing, which is exactly what they
are doing with Iran. They just passed a meaningless resolution that not
only will not be enforced by any other country, but will bring the USA a
huge amount of criticism if they actually do anything.

Unfortunately the entire world is going to be working against the USA as
long as Bush is president. This is a sad and stupid fact, but it's true,
and America's enemies know it. The best thing about President H. Clinton
is that only a Democrat will get any cooperation from the rest of the
world. Even then, it will probably not be enough to save Western
civilization.

So enjoy your flying while it is still possible (ie we have both the
healthy economy and freedom of action necessary to support it). It is
only in the Anglosphere that private pilots like me can fly at will
(without being stinking rich). I hope this state of affairs will last a
few more years yet, but eventually our enemies will set off some nukes
and put the world into a severe depression.

Oh, and have a nice day :-)



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They might have a large combat force, but no way then can stand up to
our air and ground capability. We would be in a much more favorable
position to respond, with force if necessary, had we not degraded our
resources and credibility in Iraq. Now we have to sit and watch real
WMD's being developed and not able to do anything about it. But I am
sure our fearless leader will come with an equally brilliant plan to
solve this problem.


Jay Honeck wrote:
Since I'm tired of reading questions about the development of
anti-matter-powered Beechcraft ejection seats, I thought I'd toss this
topic onto the newsgroup's platter: North Korea.

In pondering why we (the US -- and the World) haven't responded more
forcefully to the North Korean nuclear tests, which seem to confirm our
greatest fears, I found the following tid-bits of information:

- That tiny country (smaller than the state of Mississippi) has an air
force comprised of 1,620 combat aircraft, and 274 helicopters!
- They've got over 8,800 anti-aircraft guns
- They're fielding a 1,000,000-man military force, with a population of
just 23 million
- They have just 36 paved-runway airports
- Their GDP is just $40 billion per year -- far less than Bill Gates is
worth, personally.
- Some of their planes are stationed just 6 minutes' flight from Seoul

Their pilot training is apparently abyssmal, thanks to fuel and spare
parts shortages. (One estimate shows that their pilots are flying just
7 hours per YEAR.) However, they have fielded an incredible fighting
force, at the expense of virtually all else. They have suffered 11
straight years of food shortages, and are able to feed themselves only
because of outside aid -- yet they persist in developing incredibly
expensive weapons systems, like missiles and atomic bombs.

In short, these folks are truly, really scary. I honestly didn't think
much of them, until recently, but I now fully understand their "axis of
evil" designation -- and why we're hesitating to react.

Here are some decent sources of more information:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...k/airforce.htm
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...k/geos/kn.html

So what should we do? Nothing? That seems to be the United Nation's
current "strategy"...but I don't see much hope in that approach.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

randall g wrote:
On 15 Oct 2006 17:23:47 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote:


So what should we do? Nothing? That seems to be the United Nation's
current "strategy"...but I don't see much hope in that approach.



The world (ie the UN) is going to nothing, which is exactly what they
are doing with Iran. They just passed a meaningless resolution that not
only will not be enforced by any other country, but will bring the USA a
huge amount of criticism if they actually do anything.

Unfortunately the entire world is going to be working against the USA as
long as Bush is president. This is a sad and stupid fact, but it's true,
and America's enemies know it. The best thing about President H. Clinton
is that only a Democrat will get any cooperation from the rest of the
world. Even then, it will probably not be enough to save Western
civilization.

You mean like the cooperation that Billy Clinton got from North Korea?
The difference between Clinton and Bush is that Billy believed the North
Koreans would actually stick totheir agreements. Bush knows they won't
so he isn't willing to make any unilateral agreements with them.
Personally, I don't think we have a dog in this fight until they have a
weapon that can reach US soil. And even then, I don't think a
pre-emptive attack is the right strategy. We didn't attack Russia in
the 50s did we?

I think pre-emptively attacking Iran has proven to be a huge mistake and
I believe that North Korea would love nothing more than to sucker us
into something similar there. The folks that have a dog in this fight
are China, South Korea, Japan, etc. Let them police this one.


Matt

The solution to North Korea is China. North Korea is China's
Frankenstein monster.

When China decides that the monster has gotten too far out of hand, and
is a threat to China, North Korea will be squashed like a bug. The
Chinese could roll through North Korea in less than a week, even if
North Korea put up a fight.

The only other solution is if North Korea collapses like East Germany
did, but with China providing aid, that won't happen until China cuts
them off.

Dean

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ps.com...
Since I'm tired of reading questions about the development of
anti-matter-powered Beechcraft ejection seats, I thought I'd toss this
topic onto the newsgroup's platter: North Korea.

In pondering why we (the US -- and the World) haven't responded more
forcefully to the North Korean nuclear tests, which seem to confirm our
greatest fears, I found the following tid-bits of information:

- That tiny country (smaller than the state of Mississippi) has an air
force comprised of 1,620 combat aircraft, and 274 helicopters!
- They've got over 8,800 anti-aircraft guns
- They're fielding a 1,000,000-man military force, with a population of
just 23 million
- They have just 36 paved-runway airports
- Their GDP is just $40 billion per year -- far less than Bill Gates is
worth, personally.
- Some of their planes are stationed just 6 minutes' flight from Seoul

Their pilot training is apparently abyssmal, thanks to fuel and spare
parts shortages. (One estimate shows that their pilots are flying just
7 hours per YEAR.) However, they have fielded an incredible fighting
force, at the expense of virtually all else. They have suffered 11
straight years of food shortages, and are able to feed themselves only
because of outside aid -- yet they persist in developing incredibly
expensive weapons systems, like missiles and atomic bombs.

In short, these folks are truly, really scary. I honestly didn't think
much of them, until recently, but I now fully understand their "axis of
evil" designation -- and why we're hesitating to react.

Here are some decent sources of more information:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...k/airforce.htm
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...k/geos/kn.html

So what should we do? Nothing? That seems to be the United Nation's
current "strategy"...but I don't see much hope in that approach.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



I will not believe anything the news media and government tells me about how
bad another country is untill I see it for myself. The U.S. government said
Beirut Lebanon is a bad place and that the "Muslims" all want to kill all
Americans hahahahaha...B.S. Well I walked the streets of Beirut at night for
a few hours alone, myself a non Muslim on a Muslim holiday and nothing but
friendly people even the guys with the machine guns have proper muzzle
control and are friendlier than our police here in the states!!

I suggest that one look and think for themselves and make their own thoughts
and dismiss all the media/government hype! Yes, the government controls the
so called free and independent press and are resorting the "Religious" type
tactics to try and use Fear to control the citizens and rest of the world!

I think It is to late to do anything to North Korea with out massive
American Causalities we are already getting our asses whipped on other
foreign lands wich I belive we do not belong! We should have taken care of
North Korea in the 1950's but we settled for B.S. talks that never work.

We are more vulnerable now than ever before!!! They (the rest of the world)
knows this and I belive will exploit it in the near future...

Jay, the United Nation's "strategy" if you can call it a strategy is the
same as in the 1950's "Talk's" and any smart person will just tell them what
they want to hear and they are to dumb to realize this! It's all smoke and
mirrors and where there is smoke there is fire!

But what do I know!!! I just keep my eyes open look, I wonder and I think
for Myself. Just imagine if we were a civilized society we would not be
making up new rules/laws we would be removing ruels/laws!!!!

In article ,
randall g wrote:

Unfortunately the entire world is going to be working against the USA as
long as Bush is president. This is a sad and stupid fact, but it's true,
and America's enemies know it.

I guess the "entire world" is just interested in a spineless @(**&$#@

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

This is true. China is the key that will either unlock the door on the North
Korean question or keep it sealed tightly shut. It's China that controls the
North Korean economy (what little there is of it )
Dudley Henriques

wrote in message
oups.com...
The solution to North Korea is China. North Korea is China's
Frankenstein monster.

When China decides that the monster has gotten too far out of hand, and
is a threat to China, North Korea will be squashed like a bug. The
Chinese could roll through North Korea in less than a week, even if
North Korea put up a fight.

The only other solution is if North Korea collapses like East Germany
did, but with China providing aid, that won't happen until China cuts
them off.

Dean