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Larry Dighera wrote:
http://www.newscientisttech.com/chan...e-for-gps.html Solar storms spell trouble for GPS SOLAR flares can drown out GPS signals with potentially serious consequences for airlines, emergency services, and anyone relying on satellite navigation. .... How was such a clash missed? Because GPS receivers only became common during a period of low solar activity. By 2011 solar flares will reach the peak of their cycle and receivers will likely fail. ... Of course this newsgroup was alive and well during the last solar maximum and there were no widespread failures reported. Sam kept us informed with the bulletins on current solar activity, but I noticed only minor effects on my consumer-level GPS receivers. I still have the tracklogs recorded in 2000 during the maximum and they don't support the dire predictions of the above article. |
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FWIW, the last solar maximum occured around 2001, and GPS was in common
use then; I know I was using mine on a pretty regular basis then. I don't recall any widespread disruptions. Not even slimspread disruptions. :) I'm thinking this may be much ado about nothing. --Walt Bozeman, Montana Larry Dighera wrote: http://www.newscientisttech.com/chan...e-for-gps.html Solar storms spell trouble for GPS SOLAR flares can drown out GPS signals with potentially serious consequences for airlines, emergency services, and anyone relying on satellite navigation. It turns out these bursts of charged particles, which produce auroras and geomagnetic storms, also generate radio waves in the 1.2 and 1.6-gigahertz bands used by GPS. How was such a clash missed? Because GPS receivers only became common during a period of low solar activity. By 2011 solar flares will reach the peak of their cycle and receivers will likely fail. Or so Alessandro Cerruti of Cornell University, New York, told a meeting of the Institute of Navigation in Fort Worth, Texas, last week. The only solution would be to redesign GPS receivers or satellites, which may not be practical, says Cerruti. From issue 2572 of New Scientist magazine, 07 October 2006, page 27 |
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:44:32 -0700, Ron Wanttaja
wrote in : On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:12:07 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote: How was such a clash missed? Because GPS receivers only became common during a period of low solar activity. By 2011 solar flares will reach the peak of their cycle and receivers will likely fail. The sun is on an 11-year cycle. If 2011 is the date of the max (and we are apparently in the minimum now), the LAST max was about 2000. Of course, natural phenomena can be somewhat erratic, but you astute analysis seems relatively consistent with International Space Environment Service observations/projections: http://www.sec.noaa.gov/SolarCycle/ Unless the author believes that GPS receivers only became common after 2000, the user community has already been through one solar max period. Apparently it was Alessandro Cerruti of Cornell University who raised the concern, not the New Scientist author. But, you are correct about having used GPS during the 2000 - 2003 peak period. I don't recall any anomalous GPS behavior back then, but I do recall a solar storm that caused my garage door opener to spontaneously open and close the door repeatedly one day. |
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On 25 Oct 2006 06:54:19 -0700, "peter" wrote in
.com: I still have the tracklogs recorded in 2000 during the maximum and they don't support the dire predictions of the above article. Agreed. But I did notice other radio controlled devices malfunctioning. |
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![]() "Walt" wrote in message oups.com... FWIW, the last solar maximum occured around 2001, and GPS was in common use then; This is actually all global warming is. Hot spots in the sun. Im not worried. I don't recall any widespread disruptions. Not even slimspread disruptions. :) I'm thinking this may be much ado about nothing. --Walt Bozeman, Montana Larry Dighera wrote: http://www.newscientisttech.com/chan...e-for-gps.html Solar storms spell trouble for GPS SOLAR flares can drown out GPS signals with potentially serious consequences for airlines, emergency services, and anyone relying on satellite navigation. It turns out these bursts of charged particles, which produce auroras and geomagnetic storms, also generate radio waves in the 1.2 and 1.6-gigahertz bands used by GPS. How was such a clash missed? Because GPS receivers only became common during a period of low solar activity. By 2011 solar flares will reach the peak of their cycle and receivers will likely fail. Or so Alessandro Cerruti of Cornell University, New York, told a meeting of the Institute of Navigation in Fort Worth, Texas, last week. The only solution would be to redesign GPS receivers or satellites, which may not be practical, says Cerruti. From issue 2572 of New Scientist magazine, 07 October 2006, page 27 |
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On 25 Oct 2006 07:00:43 -0700, "Walt" wrote in
.com: FWIW, the last solar maximum occured around 2001, and GPS was in common use then; I know I was using mine on a pretty regular basis then. I don't recall any widespread disruptions. Not even slimspread disruptions. :) I'm thinking this may be much ado about nothing. Perhaps you might bring this up with Professor Paul Kintner ): http://people.ece.cornell.edu/paul/ Here's some more information: http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/...es.gps.TO.html Sept. 26, 2006 Solar flares cause GPS failures, possibly devastating for jets and distress calls, Cornell researchers warn. Alessandro Cerruti of Cornell University, New York http://www.ion.org/meetings/gnss2006...D&session=3#p5 Observed GPS and WAAS Signal-to-Noise Degradation Due to Solar Radio Bursts A. Cerruti, Cornell University GPS signals, systems, and navigation accuracy are vulnerable to a variety of space weather effects that are caused mostly by the ionosphere. However, the sun, which is sometimes a strong radio source, is the cause of GPS signal interference presented here. The first direct observations of GPS L1 (1.57542 GHz) signal-to-noise ratio degradation on two different models of GPS receivers due to the solar radio burst associated with the 7 September 2005 solar flare are presented. Signal-to-noise ratio data from three identical, collocated receivers at Arecibo Observatory and also from four identical receivers of a different model located in Brazil, were available at the time of the solar radio burst. These receivers were all in the sun-lit hemisphere and all were affected similarly. The maximum solar radio burst power associated with the 7 September 2005 flare had a peak intensity of about 8,700 solar flux units (1 SFU = 10-22 W/m2-Hz) RHCP at 1,600 MHz, which caused a corresponding decrease in the signal-to-noise ratio of about 2.3 dB across all visible satellites. Only the right-hand, circularly polarized (RHCP) emissions affected the GPS signals. To confirm the effect, the solar radio burst associated with the 28 October 2003 flare was investigated. Although polarization data were not available for this event, the maximum degradation at GPS L1 was about 3.0 dB, and a degradation of 10 dB was observed on the semi-codeless L2 signal for a solar radio burst of 13,600 SFU. The event analyzed herein can be used to scale historical solar radio bursts of 80,000 SFU. Decreases of 12 dB (21 dB) in the L1 (L2, semi-codeless) signal-to-noise ratio are implied along with loss of tracking for inadequately designed GPS receivers. Since solar radio bursts affect all satellites in view of a receiver, all receivers in the sun-lit hemisphere, the new Galileo navigation system, and all space-based augmentation systems such as WAAS and EGNOS, they are a potential threat to life-critical systems. Institute of Navigation in Fort Worth, Texas: http://www.ion.org/ |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:17:38 -0500, "Jim Macklin" wrote in : BFD, All those radios are called Aids to navigation for a reason, they are conveniences. Were you aware of the design flaw in GPS as implemented? I just thought it might be a good idea to provide the information to those weren't. Of course, this issue makes no mention of solar mass ejections, that can potentially knock out any satellite. It appears that we are (finally?) seeing some technological innovation tickling down to the GA fleet, but I'm becoming uneasy with the apparent lack of robustness engineered in these early systems. CAL found Paris with just a compass and a chart. Yes. It was an Earth Inductor Compass*. I've never seen one of those in any aircraft in which I've flown, let alone piloted. * http://oldbeacon.com/beacon/earth_inductor_compass.htm Did anybody see NOVA on PBS last night. The earth is overdue for a pole reversal. According to the program, we are already seeing issues towards that. Interesting program. -- Regards, Ross C-172F 180HP KSWI |
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:24:58 -0700, "Aluckyguess" wrote in
: Im not worried. Perhaps you should throw your hat in the ring: http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...bushworry2.htm |
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This is a rather alarmist exaggeration of reality.
-- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Larry Dighera writes:
Were you aware of the design flaw in GPS as implemented? What design flaw? It appears that we are (finally?) seeing some technological innovation tickling down to the GA fleet, but I'm becoming uneasy with the apparent lack of robustness engineered in these early systems. They seem to be designed just like personal computers, which is very bad and very dangerous for safety-of-life systems. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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