Married Couples and CRM (followon to Courious Crash)

On Dec 21, 7:41 am, Ron Natalie wrote:
We won't go into the CRM required during 6 hour legs in
Australia.

Was this CRM training a part of the Australia flying tour? We would
not mind taking a CRM training class at all. At one time, Rick thought
that we should have a more formal checklist procedure with the copilot
called out each step and the PIC replied 'checked'. We went through it
once. I did not like it a bit because it took too long to read every
item outloud. So we went back to our usual practice with the PIC went
through the checklist. The copilot observed silently and spoke up only
when it was absolutely necessary.

I don't recall reading a long report about your Australia trip. Did
I miss it? If I am not mistaken, all flying tours in Australia were
discontinued post 9/11 due to red tape hassles. I had checked into the
NewZealand and Africa self-flying trips and they all sounded quite
interesting. I had tried to convince Rick to take one of these trip
next year for our wedding anniversary but he was not ready for such a
big trip. We may just take few weeks off flying coast-to-coast camping
in little airports etc.. next spring. Alaska may be next on the plan
before NewZealand or Africa.

Hai Longworth

I don't think he is referring to the flying of the plane type of CRM,
Hai. :-))
Note that he mentioned six hour flights.

Longworth wrote:

On Dec 21, 7:41 am, Ron Natalie wrote:


We won't go into the CRM required during 6 hour legs in
Australia.



Was this CRM training a part of the Australia flying tour? We would
not mind taking a CRM training class at all. At one time, Rick thought
that we should have a more formal checklist procedure with the copilot
called out each step and the PIC replied 'checked'. We went through it
once. I did not like it a bit because it took too long to read every
item outloud. So we went back to our usual practice with the PIC went
through the checklist. The copilot observed silently and spoke up only
when it was absolutely necessary.

I don't recall reading a long report about your Australia trip. Did
I miss it? If I am not mistaken, all flying tours in Australia were
discontinued post 9/11 due to red tape hassles. I had checked into the
NewZealand and Africa self-flying trips and they all sounded quite
interesting. I had tried to convince Rick to take one of these trip
next year for our wedding anniversary but he was not ready for such a
big trip. We may just take few weeks off flying coast-to-coast camping
in little airports etc.. next spring. Alaska may be next on the plan
before NewZealand or Africa.

Hai Longworth

On Dec 21, 2:07 pm, john smith wrote:
I don't think he is referring to the flying of the plane type of CRM,
Hai. :-))
Note that he mentioned six hour flights.

What is 6hrs of flying together in light of years of marriage ? ;-)

Hai Longworth

Longworth wrote:
I don't think he is referring to the flying of the plane type of CRM,
Hai. :-))
Note that he mentioned six hour flights.

What is 6hrs of flying together in light of years of marriage ? ;-)

Think biologically, not emotionally or mechanically. With 6-hour legs, one
needs to manage more in the cockpit than just the airplane.

--
John T
http://sage1solutions.com/TknoFlyer
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Didn't AOPA have an article about this in the past 6 months or so?
Written by the Kings, mostly by him, explaining what foolish things
they (he) did in the past and how they now approach the issue.

Didn't AOPA have an article about this in the past 6 months or so?
Written by the Kings, mostly by him, explaining what foolish things
they (he) did in the past and how they now approach the issue.

Yes, in the September 2006 issue.

Peter

John Ousterhout wrote:
Our biggest problem is personal preference.

You like a Low Wing and I like a High Wing.
You say it's manly and call me a sissy.
Low Wing, High Wing, Manly, Sissy.
Let's call the whole flight off.

You like a Piper and I like a Cessna.
You like an Archer and I like a Skyhawk.
Piper, Cessna, Archer, Skyhawk.
Let's call the whole flight off.

My apologies to George and Ira Gershwin.

- John Ousterhout -

But Oh --- if we call the whole flight off, then we'll stay home
And Oh --- if we must stay home, then that would break my heart.

(Don't worry about apologizing to George, he wrote the music. Ira
was the lyricist)

john smith wrote:
I don't think he is referring to the flying of the plane type of CRM,
Hai. :-))
Note that he mentioned six hour flights.

Precisely...it went something like this. Margy who was in the
right seat said something like:

M: You're airplane, you're going to laugh at me, but I have to
use one of those zip-loc bags.
R: Nope, cause after you're done you're going to empty this
water bottle out the window so I can use it.

The company that I was flying with decided after the last round of
regulation changes to get out of the business. However, there was
a new company at Oshkosh selling these tours. They state you do
have to plan farther in advance as it takes longer to push your
paperwork through than it used to.

Blanche wrote:
Didn't AOPA have an article about this in the past 6 months or so?
Written by the Kings, mostly by him, explaining what foolish things
they (he) did in the past and how they now approach the issue.

I attended a lecture by the Kings, where Martha had to go to the
bathroom and there was a sandstorm below and John refused. He
told her to use the sick sack. She handed it to him afterwards
and said "by the way, it leaks." John then tried to push it out
the Cherokee "clear prop" window. He says, at times like that
words fail you. The word he didn't use was Urine.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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Blanche wrote:
Didn't AOPA have an article about this in the past 6 months or so?
Written by the Kings, mostly by him, explaining what foolish things
they (he) did in the past and how they now approach the issue.

I attended a lecture by the Kings, where Martha had to go to the
bathroom and there was a sandstorm below and John refused. He
told her to use the sick sack. She handed it to him afterwards
and said "by the way, it leaks." John then tried to push it out
the Cherokee "clear prop" window. He says, at times like that
words fail you. The word he didn't use was Urine.

Sandstorm, eh. John made the correct decision! LOL

Peter