An Open Apology to R.A.P.

On Feb 11, 1:44 am, Jim Logajan wrote:
"Casey Wilson" wrote:
I realized today that I have been recently scanning down through the
posts on R.A.P. not to learn something new, but instead to find out
what kind of spew the troll is serving up. I feel I owe the rest of my
real flying colleagues an apology. For that reason and that reason
alone, I am going to retire from the newsgroup. My biggest regret is
that Msxmanic will undoubtedly, in his maniacal way, gloat over having
won.

Rats.

I hope to get a pilot certificate soon and would appreciate it if not all
the qualified people not be run off this group. I don't claim to speak for
others in my situation, but I'd hazard a guess I'm not alone in that worry.

Seconded.
I can't seem to find enough resources to fly, but slowly and surely
i'm hoping to get there. At least reading here i'm getting some info
that's not in the AIM... and some interesting stories also.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
I hope groups like GNAA and other troll organizations never catch wind
of this place. Trolling you people is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Mxsmaniac isn't even explicitly trolling, for christ sake. He's just
trying to discuss.

Bull****.

You know, you guys really need to lighten up. Remember when Skylune
was flying off in every direction, hot and heavy? People were beside
themselves trying to shut him down, and keep him quiet.

I took another tack, and engaged with him. We talked politics, he
opened up and started talking about his days when he took flight
lessons. He turned out to be an okay guy, just ****ed off at some
doofus who kept over-flying his house. He's now a regular here, and
often contributes valuable input to this group.

MX isn't a bad sort, and he *is* trying to discuss aviation. He's
coming 'round to see that -- when posting on a pilot's group -- he has
to explicitly state that he's talking about sim experience. And he
has iniated some very interesting threads -- which is more than I can
say about a lot of the folks who are trash-talking him.

Diplomacy is the art of the possible. I suggest we all try it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Hi Jay,

I respectfully disagree. He isn't trying to discuss aviation. He asks a
seemingly reasonable question, gets an honest answer from someone who has
been there, and done it, and then flat out states that he knows the answer
is wrong. No discussion. No evidence to support his position. No reasons why
he feels everyone with experience is "lying" to him.

The pitch vs. power controls airspeed is a good example. He led off with
a pre-solo student question, and when someone gave him a very reasonable and
slightly simplified answer, he jumped right back with "what if I'm behind
the power curve?". Well, if he knows what a power curve is, and how you get
behind it, he knows enough that the first question made no sense. The
original question was no more than an opening serve. It was bait.

No need to "Lighten up", because "Frankly scarlet I don't give a damn".
He may grow up to be a reasonable person, most teenagers do. But in the
meantime they are a PITA, and again I am speaking from experience.
Diplomacy is based on some form of mutual respect, and he has demonstrated
no respect for the professionals who have attempted to offer him free dual
and the benefit of REAL experience. I am a CFI and have been "Teaching pigs
to sing" longer than he has been alive. He wouldn't know a pearl of wisdom
if he choked on it. No big rip, I plunked him a long time ago, but I still
carry my big red "Bull****" stamp.

On the other hand, I have really enjoyed your contribution to this
group. There are a number of people that get sorted to the top of my "must
read" list. I used to live in Reno, and your account of your trip to the air
races was priceless. I could see the terrain between Winnemucca and Elko
while I was reading your story. You seem to have the talent to draw a
picture with words. If I ever get East of the Rockies, I'll stop by.

Al G

Al G writes:

The pitch vs. power controls airspeed is a good example. He led off with
a pre-solo student question, and when someone gave him a very reasonable and
slightly simplified answer, he jumped right back with "what if I'm behind
the power curve?".

http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...&qt_s=Sea rch

Only one USENET post by him contains "power curve," and it occurs only in a
backquote of something said by someone else. None of his posts to any
rec.aviation.* group contains "behind the power curve."

Well, if he knows what a power curve is, and how you get
behind it, he knows enough that the first question made no sense.

He knows what Google is, and how it can be used to show that someone is making
false assertions.

He knows that if a person carelessly or deliberately makes one or more
demonstrably false assertions, any other assertions he makes must be regarded
with extreme caution.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Mxsmanic wrote:

Only one USENET post by him ...

He knows what Google is...

He knows that ...

Speaking of yourself in the third person. Another sign of insanity.

Wrote:
On Feb 12, 4:53 pm, JGalban wrote:

The problem is not with the troll. Judging from the stats, the r.a.
groups really like responding to his posts. What they get out of it
is
beyond me, but the numbers don't lie. As long as he gets his
feedback
fix (doesn't matter if it's positive or negative), he'll be with us
for
the forseeable future.

Agree 100 percent with the above. I have been saying this since
October.... and the Mx fans then call the trump card "freedom of
speech", they will reply to whom ever and whenever, which obviously is
disrespectful to those that want this troll to wither away.

If the troll has fans that wish to keep him entertained, then that is
their right. As I said above, the stats would indicate that there are
a significant number of "MX fans" if you include both positive and
negative responses. When I look at a thread on Google and see 35
responses by a dozen different people, I already know what I'll find
when I get inside. It's like watching people pound their heads
against a wall.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)


--
JGalban
Posted at www.flight.org

On Feb 13, 2:34 pm, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:

Only one USENET post by him ...
He knows what Google is...
He knows that ...

Speaking of yourself in the third person. Another sign of insanity.

Being obsessed with attacking someone, is probably not a good sign
either.

Kev

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message

MX isn't a bad sort, and he *is* trying to discuss aviation.

I also disagree.

I found a way to eliminate him along with any threads he pollutes from my
newsreader. Every so often I change from 'hide ignored messages' to 'show
all messages', just to see if anyone is actually posting.

There's not much troll-free traffic here anymore. It's too bad.

The interesting part is that you are the sole example that I can think of
who could be hurt financially from the death of this group. You've managed
to promote your business along with contributing to this group. I have no
idea how much business is generated through usenet (I suspect not much), but
I doubt you'll get any in 2008 if things continue as they have.

When you post your Pre-Oshkosh schedule, please do so in a new thread, so my
filter won't ignore it. If you post in a thread he's touched, I'll never see
it.

On 2/13/2007 3:44:38 PM, "Steve Foley" wrote:

If you post in a thread he's touched, I'll never see
it.

You need a newsreader that only deletes branches of threads, not the entire
thread, where the poster in question originates the branch.

Otherwise you are missing some good threads started by a legitimate poster.

--
Peter

On Feb 13, 2:34 pm, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:

Only one USENET post by him ...
He knows what Google is...
He knows that ...

Speaking of yourself in the third person. Another sign of insanity.

He probably thought he was posting as one of his other identities
("Matt" I believe is a popular one). He has sat there posting back
and forth to himself when he couldn't get others to take his bait.

Mike

"Peter R." wrote in message
...
On 2/13/2007 3:44:38 PM, "Steve Foley" wrote:

If you post in a thread he's touched, I'll never see
it.

You need a newsreader that only deletes branches of threads, not the
entire
thread, where the poster in question originates the branch.

Otherwise you are missing some good threads started by a legitimate
poster.


I actually have Outlook Express doing that. His posts, responses to him, and
responses to those, are all ignored. It only ignores threads from his
posting and below.

Unfortunately, that leaves little to read, so little reason to check in.