A380 captain's pay

On May 25, 2:46 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes:
Where can I get a software engineer in the US for 75K?? I've been
trying to grow my U.S. team for quiet some time but even six figure
saleries don't generate a lot of response.

Are these telecommuting positions?



The odds of you getting hired by anyone who has seen you post on
usenet are long indeed...

Gary writes:

The odds of you getting hired by anyone who has seen you post on
usenet are long indeed...

I didn't say anything about me.

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Kingfish wrote in
oups.com:

Interesting article here on the arbitration case between Singapore
Airlines and its pilots. The court ruled SIA must pay A380
captains more than 747 captains. Duh? If it's bigger, heavier and
has more seats that should be a no-brainer IMHO, unless of course
the airline is trying to contain labor costs. I was amazed to see
their monthly base pay of $10k for 747 captains. $120k/yr to fly a
747? Even allowing for per diem and other stuff, SWA's 737
captains make a lot more than that...

$120,000(Singapore) = $78,555(US)

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In a previous article, Mxsmanic said:
Robert M. Gary writes:
Where can I get a software engineer in the US for 75K?? I've been
trying to grow my U.S. team for quiet some time but even six figure
saleries don't generate a lot of response.

Are these telecommuting positions?

The problem with "telecommuting positions" is that if they want
telecommuters, they want Indian, Chinese, or Eastern European
telecommuters, or people willing to work for those types of wages.


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On May 25, 3:17 pm, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
In a previous article, Mxsmanic said:

Robert M. Gary writes:
Where can I get a software engineer in the US for 75K?? I've been
trying to grow my U.S. team for quiet some time but even six figure
saleries don't generate a lot of response.

Are these telecommuting positions?

The problem with "telecommuting positions" is that if they want
telecommuters, they want Indian, Chinese, or Eastern European
telecommuters, or people willing to work for those types of wages.

The cost is actually a very small factor in overseas hiring in the
software industry. Our two main motivating factors are 1) we want a
large pool to hire from, in the U.S. right now its very much an
employees market, its hard for employeers to find "good" (not the high
school kids that were hired during the internet bubble, real engineers
with real engineering degrees) programmers to pick from and 2) Since a
large amount of sales come from overseas its hard to explain to a
foreign country or company why they should buy your product if you
don't spend any money in their country (i.e. "why should I buy your
product if you won't hire anyone from my country")? Its the same
reason Boeing subs out the 777 all over the world, those country are
customers too.
BTW: The cost savings in India for programmers is all but totally
gone. China will always have a small roll because of the extream
language difference. Eastern Europe is probably going to see a large
increase in technology hiring in the near term.

-Robert, BS Computer Science, MBA, holder of 3 U.S. patents for
software

On May 25, 4:34 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On May 25, 3:17 pm, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:

In a previous article, Mxsmanic said:

Robert M. Gary writes:
Where can I get a software engineer in the US for 75K?? I've been
trying to grow my U.S. team for quiet some time but even six figure
saleries don't generate a lot of response.

Are these telecommuting positions?

The problem with "telecommuting positions" is that if they want
telecommuters, they want Indian, Chinese, or Eastern European
telecommuters, or people willing to work for those types of wages.

The cost is actually a very small factor in overseas hiring in the
software industry. Our two main motivating factors are 1) we want a
large pool to hire from, in the U.S. right now its very much an
employees market, its hard for employeers to find "good" (not the high
school kids that were hired during the internet bubble, real engineers
with real engineering degrees) programmers to pick from and 2) Since a
large amount of sales come from overseas its hard to explain to a
foreign country or company why they should buy your product if you
don't spend any money in their country (i.e. "why should I buy your
product if you won't hire anyone from my country")? Its the same
reason Boeing subs out the 777 all over the world, those country are
customers too.
BTW: The cost savings in India for programmers is all but totally
gone. China will always have a small roll because of the extream
language difference. Eastern Europe is probably going to see a large
increase in technology hiring in the near term.

-Robert, BS Computer Science, MBA, holder of 3 U.S. patents for
software

Robert,

Let me guess... you are in a high-cost large city job market, right?

I am an Electrical Engineer with 20 years of design experience in both
hardware and software, and in Idaho I make $80K a year, which is
pretty typical. Not many 6 figure salaries here. Plus, HP has been
laying off so many people in Boise that there are lots of folks in the
market for an engineering position. Not an employees market here! I
wish it was!

On 25 May 2007 12:36:27 -0700, Gary wrote:


The odds of you getting hired by anyone who has seen you post on
usenet are long indeed...

What if he's applying for "The Argument Room"?

=8^0

Paul Tomblin writes:

The problem with "telecommuting positions" is that if they want
telecommuters, they want Indian, Chinese, or Eastern European
telecommuters, or people willing to work for those types of wages.

That's not a problem for the employer; that is presumably the whole idea. If
the employer has experience with workers in these countries, either it has set
up development centers in those countries or it has telecommuting. Either
way, it should be possible to find workers at much less than $75K, at least
for now.

It's all temporary, though. It's possible to temporarily take advantage of
differences in cost of living, but the mere fact of doing so changes those
costs of living and the differences among them, and eventually you are once
again paying the same for workers everywhere. This is already happening in
places like India.

There are other problems with chasing the lowest possible wages; often this is
the one and only advantage to outsourcing abroad, and it turns out to be more
than negated by other disadvantages of this type of hiring. For example, the
turnover of employees is often several hunded percent per year, and it's
impossible to train them because they don't stay long enough to amortize the
training and it's too costly to train replacements every 90 days.

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On 25 May 2007 08:24:29 -0700, Andrew Sarangan
wrote:

Do bigger airplanes require more skill to fly?


Responsibility... Just like a sea captain.

Look at it this way:

I'm f'n around @ OXC, and I pull out in front of Kingfish, who's on
short final in the Pilatus. A mess, local news, sad families, yadda,
yadda, yadda...

The same happens with 747's and you get this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_disaster

Kabeesh?

BTW, I ALWAYS look both ways before entering a runway, especially if I
know Kingfish is coming in...

And FWIW, one of my best friend's dad is a retired PanAm B747 captain
who has owned light aircraft all his life, and he says "Yes, the 747
is more difficult to fly".

writes:

Plus, HP has been
laying off so many people in Boise that there are lots of folks in the
market for an engineering position.

HP is laying off people everywhere. The decline at HP started when it become
a publicly-held company with anonymous stockholders. Every company that
changes owners in that way goes down the same path.

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