Ratings for an Amphibian

I was wondering, does one require a seaplane rating to operate and
amphibian for land?

("pittss1c" wrote)
I was wondering, does one require a seaplane rating to operate and
amphibian for land?


Hmm? Off the top of my head I'd have to say good question.


Paul-Mont

pittss1c wrote:
I was wondering, does one require a seaplane rating to operate and
amphibian for land?


I believe you do not, but a search of the regs to prove that has so far
proven fruitless for me.

Can anyone cite the reg that *requires* you to posses a sea rating to
operate on water? In the same vein, which reg *requires* you to posses
an instrument rating to operate in IMC?

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

"Scott Skylane" wrote in message
...
pittss1c wrote:
I was wondering, does one require a seaplane rating to operate and
amphibian for land?


I believe you do not, but a search of the regs to prove that has so far
proven fruitless for me.

Can anyone cite the reg that *requires* you to posses a sea rating to
operate on water? In the same vein, which reg *requires* you to posses an
instrument rating to operate in IMC?

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

FAR 61.3(e) for the Instrument Rating
J. Severyn

J. Severyn wrote:




FAR 61.3(e) for the Instrument Rating
J. Severyn


OK, I glossed over that one (well, that's what getting up at 3am does
for ya ), but I'm still wondering where the reg is that essentially
says the same thing about operating on the water...

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:57:02 -0500, pittss1c
wrote:

I was wondering, does one require a seaplane rating to operate and
amphibian for land?

A google search of the rec.aviation.* groups returned an interesting
thread, from 2002 culminating in this statement. Of course the old
FAA weblink is dead, but a websearch for Part 61 FAQ turned up the
following link www.ameliareid.com/documents/pt61FAQ.doc

-Nathan




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FAA has a FAQ on Part 61 which addresses this, specifically it states:

QUESTION: What are the ratings needed to fly an amphibious
airplane (Lake, Grumman Goose, etc.)? Does the PIC need both land
and sea ratings, or can the pilot operate with only one of the ratings
if operations are only to/from the surface on which the pilot is
rated? I'd appreciate an "official" view. And we're not looking at
ME vs SE -- let's assume we're talking about a Lake Buccaneer, and a
pilot with only PVT-ASEL flying off land, or only PVT-ASES flying off
water.

ANSWER: Reference §61.31(d)(1). Only the appropriate rating
(land/sea) is required. To operate an amphibious airplane for water
operations using the float landing gear, one must hold the Airplane
Single Engine Sea or Airplane Multiengine Sea rating, as appropriate.
To operate an amphibious airplane for land operations using the
wheeled landing gear, one must hold the Airplane Single Engine Land or
Airplane Multiengine Land rating, as appropriate.
{Q&A-317}

The entire FAQ can be downloaded from the FAA at:

http://afs600.faa.gov/AFS640.htm
Click on the link for: FAQ 14 CFR, Part 61 & 141

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"Scott Skylane" wrote in message
...

I believe you do not, but a search of the regs to prove that has so far
proven fruitless for me.

Can anyone cite the reg that *requires* you to posses a sea rating to
operate on water?

§ 61.3 Requirement for certificates, ratings, and authorizations.

(a) Pilot certificate. A person may not act as pilot in command or in any
other capacity as a required pilot flight crewmember of a civil aircraft of
U.S. registry, unless that person-

(1) Has a valid pilot certificate or special purpose pilot authorization
issued under this part in that person's physical possession or readily
accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that pilot
certificate or authorization. However, when the aircraft is operated within
a foreign country, a current pilot license issued by the country in which
the aircraft is operated may be used; and

(2) Has a photo identification that is in that person's physical possession
or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that
pilot certificate or authorization. The photo identification must be a:

(i) Valid driver's license issued by a State, the District of Columbia, or
territory or possession of the United States;

(ii) Government identification card issued by the Federal government, a
State, the District of Columbia, or a territory or possession of the United
States;

(iii) U.S. Armed Forces' identification card;

(iv) Official passport;

(v) Credential that authorizes unescorted access to a security
identification display area at an airport regulated under 49 CFR part 1542;
or

(vi) Other form of identification that the Administrator finds acceptable.



In the same vein, which reg *requires* you to posses an instrument rating
to operate in IMC?


§ 61.3 Requirement for certificates, ratings, and authorizations.

(e) Instrument rating. No person may act as pilot in command of a civil
aircraft under IFR or in weather conditions less than the minimums
prescribed for VFR flight unless that person holds:

(1) The appropriate aircraft category, class, type (if required), and
instrument rating on that person's pilot certificate for any airplane,
helicopter, or powered-lift being flown;

(2) An airline transport pilot certificate with the appropriate aircraft
category, class, and type rating (if required) for the aircraft being flown;

(3) For a glider, a pilot certificate with a glider category rating and an
airplane instrument rating; or

(4) For an airship, a commercial pilot certificate with a lighter-than-air
category rating and airship class rating.

"Scott Skylane" wrote in message
...
pittss1c wrote:
I was wondering, does one require a seaplane rating to operate and
amphibian for land?


I believe you do not, but a search of the regs to prove that has so far
proven fruitless for me.

Can anyone cite the reg that *requires* you to posses a sea rating to
operate on water? In the same vein, which reg *requires* you to posses an
instrument rating to operate in IMC?

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

Seaplane:
Combination of 61.63(c) Additional class rating......
and Definitions and Abbreviations: FAR 1.1 Class(1) ".....examples include:
single engine; multiengine; land; water; gyroplane; helicopter; airship; and
free balloon....."

Instrument Rating: FAR 61.3(e)

J. Severyn

Nathan Young wrote:

***********************
FAA has a FAQ on Part 61 which addresses this, specifically it states:

http://afs600.faa.gov/AFS640.htm
Click on the link for: FAQ 14 CFR, Part 61 & 141

******************************

I looked all over for that FAQ because I knew the answer was in there and I
couldn't find it. And even with the link above I can't find it because it
gives a Page Not Found error.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:




§ 61.3 Requirement for certificates, ratings, and authorizations.

(a) Pilot certificate. A person may not act as pilot in command or in any
other capacity as a required pilot flight crewmember of a civil aircraft of
U.S. registry, unless that person-

(1) Has a valid pilot certificate or special purpose pilot authorization
issued under this part in that person's physical possession or readily
accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that pilot
certificate or authorization. However, when the aircraft is operated within
a foreign country, a current pilot license issued by the country in which
the aircraft is operated may be used; and

(2) Has a photo identification that is in that person's physical possession
or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that
pilot certificate or authorization. The photo identification must be a:

(i) Valid driver's license issued by a State, the District of Columbia, or
territory or possession of the United States;

(ii) Government identification card issued by the Federal government, a
State, the District of Columbia, or a territory or possession of the United
States;

(iii) U.S. Armed Forces' identification card;

(iv) Official passport;

(v) Credential that authorizes unescorted access to a security
identification display area at an airport regulated under 49 CFR part 1542;
or

(vi) Other form of identification that the Administrator finds acceptable.


/snip part referencing 61.3/

Hmmm, I still don't get where that says I have to posses a sea rating to
operate on the water.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane