For Bertie

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:42:05 -0400, Dudley Henriques
wrote in
:

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:37:26 -0400, Dudley Henriques
wrote in
:

Stories from us "older folk" have their place in aviation. The same
story can be funny for a forum or it can be a much needed reminder that
has the potential to save lives.

I find them enjoyable and informative reading. It would be valuable
indeed if these and similar stories were all posted in one place, so
they would have meaningful titles and wouldn't disappear under all the
follow up articles and other flotsam in rec.aviation.piloting.

What would it take to get you and John, and whoever else has a few
yarns to spin, to post these gems to rec.aviation.stories? Then we
could set the follow ups to rec.aviation.piloting, so comments and
corrections to them would still be possible.

How can I say this the right way???

I have spent the better part of my life directly and indirectly
associated with saving the lives of people who fly airplanes.

With all due respect to Usenet, for the "self deprecating" side of the
equation, I find Usenet the perfect venue for old stories, but for
presenting anything having a lasting effect on the flight safety side of
the equation, I would find any venue referring to an input from me as "a
few yarns to spin" the last place on earth I would go thinking that this
input would help the flight safety issue :-))

I understand that point of view. But, I'm confused by your posting
valuable, safety related information over the years. That seems to be
contradictory.

Hardly. The fact that I might post useful information has absolutely no
relationship whatsoever to any self perceived expectation that what I
post will actually help anyone reading it on Usenet. If that is the
result, I consider that pure chance.

More than likely, the person reading it will be much more concerned with
his/her opinion that I'm a self absorbed Narcissistic know-it-all who
simply posts on Usenet to bolster my over inflated opinion of myself.

Perhaps it will be read by the person who, after my suggesting to him
that stall should be thought of as a function of angle of attack rather
than airspeed, wrote an email to me suggesting that both myself and my
family would be better off if we all died in the crash that would surely
be the result of anyone taking the advice I had posted :-)

Thanks, but no thanks. I'll post a "story" on Usenet from time to time,

Great! That's what I was asking.

Are you aware that the rec.aviation.stories newsgroup exists just for
that purpose? See for yourself; here's the charter:


CHARTER:

A home for one of the greatest strengths of rec.aviation --
longer postings of stories and experiences, including
descriptions of cross-country trips, "I learned about flying from
that", airshow reports, and so on.


but I expect no useful result from this venue on the flight safety
issue.......perhaps someone telling me to "f**k off once in a while, or
someone with a plastic stick on their desktop "correcting me" by telling
me that something I've been doing for fifty years and teaching people
who teach others whatto do for fifty years is all wrong, but little more
than that.

I can understand your frustration and low expectation; Usenet seems to
have significantly devolved since the general public gained access to
it. Unfortunately, it's going to take participants with vision and a
sincere desire to elevate the content of this newsgroup to effect any
change for the better.

Totally useless venture in my opinion, but admirable nonetheless. You
have my blessing :-)

Usenet is self-governed without a central authority; that's both the
egalitarian beauty and anarchical bane of Usenet. It's predicated on
the noble notion that individuals are capable of governing themselves,
and seek to apply their creativity toward improving it.

Nuff said!! The very essence of failure on a bun!! :-))

Perhaps I'm tilting windmills, but I feel the responsibility to make
an effort to raise the newsgroup's signal-to-noise ratio is incumbent
on its participants. And I suspect that there is a silent majority
who would agree. Unfortunately, there is a vocal minority who feel no
such responsibility. But personally, I've got to make the effort.

Go for it Don Quixote. Another great "story" BTW :-)))

What you choose to do is up to you.

You obviously don't know my wife.

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:



It's the old guys like us who HAVE the stories....simply because
we've
survived most of them :-))


Actaully, I could dine out for a week on the storis I had by the time
I
was 22. I was a very poor listener.
Sometimes when I actually have the time to sit down and reflect on
some
of the absolutely wild crap I've gotten into and out of in my career
it
scares the hell out of me :-))


I figure it's mostly been a dream.

Take my "famous"... (with the family at least) story about the day I
took the horns off a cow with a P51. Now THERE'S a story!!

This story is so good that every year at Thanksgiving when I forget
everybody in the house has heard it a thousand times and trot it out
for
the whole table it's met with shouts of enthusiasm and excitement as
they anxiously await every word of it.
"Oh NO!! Not AGAIN!!!!"
"Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"

Yup!!!....they can't WAIT to hear the cow story!


I have one with hornets...Since it ends up with me being stung and
covered in **** everone enjoys it.


Bertie


These self deprecating stories do seem to be the best received
stories.
It's funny about "stories". Take the one I've posted here about the
cow.
I kid with this one a great deal and have had some fun with it over
the
years, but there's another side to this story.

I've used it as well in safety seminars where I've been asked to speak
with war bird pilots on flight safety issues. Of course in that venue
the more serious side of the same story is emphasized and all the self
deprecation crap is put aside.
When talking to war bird pilots, the cow becomes incidental to the
fact
that the lead in a two ship formation loop has to be velvet smooth,
leave the trailer a few extra inches of manifold pressure and positive
g
to fool with to use in maintaining position, and most of all, go
through
the high gate position on speed, on altitude, and correctly in the
float.

Stories from us "older folk" have their place in aviation. The same
story can be funny for a forum or it can be a much needed reminder
that
has the potential to save lives.
But.....I digress.........aging by the minute........remembering old
stories :-))



Well, I love them. I have a fw (that pale in comparison to most of
your's) and like telling em. But tghere's nothng like hearing a real
ripper.
I got to talk to a Flying Tiger once. Carl Spaatz's nephew, in fact. I
can't remember his name, bt he told me stories for hours and hours. Also
met a Lancaster pilot that went down in Belgium during the war and ws
missing most of the finger on his left hand as a result. A Sopwiht Camel
driver who came up to my flightdeck, An ex RAF test pilot who reagled me
with tales of flying everything from the Hampden to the Hornet, a WASP,
I worked for a Korean war ace (who is still alive and will almost
certainly humt me down for taking his name in vain) also worked for a
WW2 pilot who flew an A-20 in combat in the Pacific (he didn't say much
abvout it) a CG-4 instructor a B-50 pilot and I once met Matty Laird
though he didn;t tell me any stories, nor did Dick Rutan or Eric
hartman, but I like to imagine my life is richer for just getting to
shake their hand and say "hi". the best of all must have been Phil
Cochran who probably would have told me anything I wanted to know, but I
was only very young and too shy to ask!

As you probably know, Tony Levier hung around RAH, but died before I got
to ask him anything. I'd have loved to ask him what it was like to fly
in the Greeves or Thompson, but he's flying around somewhere else now..



Sorry for the ramble! guess the point is, treasure them while they're
here!

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:



It's the old guys like us who HAVE the stories....simply because
we've
survived most of them :-))

Actaully, I could dine out for a week on the storis I had by the time
I
was 22. I was a very poor listener.
Sometimes when I actually have the time to sit down and reflect on
some
of the absolutely wild crap I've gotten into and out of in my career
it
scares the hell out of me :-))

I figure it's mostly been a dream.

Take my "famous"... (with the family at least) story about the day I
took the horns off a cow with a P51. Now THERE'S a story!!

This story is so good that every year at Thanksgiving when I forget
everybody in the house has heard it a thousand times and trot it out
for
the whole table it's met with shouts of enthusiasm and excitement as
they anxiously await every word of it.
"Oh NO!! Not AGAIN!!!!"
"Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"

Yup!!!....they can't WAIT to hear the cow story!

I have one with hornets...Since it ends up with me being stung and
covered in **** everone enjoys it.


Bertie

These self deprecating stories do seem to be the best received
stories.
It's funny about "stories". Take the one I've posted here about the
cow.
I kid with this one a great deal and have had some fun with it over
the
years, but there's another side to this story.

I've used it as well in safety seminars where I've been asked to speak
with war bird pilots on flight safety issues. Of course in that venue
the more serious side of the same story is emphasized and all the self
deprecation crap is put aside.
When talking to war bird pilots, the cow becomes incidental to the
fact
that the lead in a two ship formation loop has to be velvet smooth,
leave the trailer a few extra inches of manifold pressure and positive
g
to fool with to use in maintaining position, and most of all, go
through
the high gate position on speed, on altitude, and correctly in the
float.
Stories from us "older folk" have their place in aviation. The same
story can be funny for a forum or it can be a much needed reminder
that
has the potential to save lives.
But.....I digress.........aging by the minute........remembering old
stories :-))



Well, I love them. I have a fw (that pale in comparison to most of
your's) and like telling em. But tghere's nothng like hearing a real
ripper.
I got to talk to a Flying Tiger once. Carl Spaatz's nephew, in fact. I
can't remember his name, bt he told me stories for hours and hours. Also
met a Lancaster pilot that went down in Belgium during the war and ws
missing most of the finger on his left hand as a result. A Sopwiht Camel
driver who came up to my flightdeck, An ex RAF test pilot who reagled me
with tales of flying everything from the Hampden to the Hornet, a WASP,
I worked for a Korean war ace (who is still alive and will almost
certainly humt me down for taking his name in vain) also worked for a
WW2 pilot who flew an A-20 in combat in the Pacific (he didn't say much
abvout it) a CG-4 instructor a B-50 pilot and I once met Matty Laird
though he didn;t tell me any stories, nor did Dick Rutan or Eric
hartman, but I like to imagine my life is richer for just getting to
shake their hand and say "hi". the best of all must have been Phil
Cochran who probably would have told me anything I wanted to know, but I
was only very young and too shy to ask!

As you probably know, Tony Levier hung around RAH, but died before I got
to ask him anything. I'd have loved to ask him what it was like to fly
in the Greeves or Thompson, but he's flying around somewhere else now..



Sorry for the ramble! guess the point is, treasure them while they're
here!

Bertie

You're right. Talking with men like these was where I learned my
history. Many are gone now and we;re losing more every day.
I don't know how many hours I spent on the phone with the many friends I
have known from this era.

Aside from hashing about Chennault and the AVG with Scotty and fighting
the air war with a few more close pilot friends from the old days, I
think I appreciated my friendship with Douglas Bader the most.
Strangely enough it wasn't his ability and record as a pilot I respected
the most, but his constant work with paralyzed people, especially
children that I liked and respected him for the most.
What a wonderful person he was. I really miss kidding him about the
endless comparisons I made with the Mustang and his Hurricane and Spit.
Talk about trolling!!!! But it was all in fun, and I miss Douglas very
much. He was a fine gentlemen and a real friend.


--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:



It's the old guys like us who HAVE the stories....simply because
we've
survived most of them :-))

Actaully, I could dine out for a week on the storis I had by the
time
I
was 22. I was a very poor listener.
Sometimes when I actually have the time to sit down and reflect on
some
of the absolutely wild crap I've gotten into and out of in my
career
it
scares the hell out of me :-))

I figure it's mostly been a dream.

Take my "famous"... (with the family at least) story about the day
I took the horns off a cow with a P51. Now THERE'S a story!!

This story is so good that every year at Thanksgiving when I
forget everybody in the house has heard it a thousand times and
trot it out
for
the whole table it's met with shouts of enthusiasm and excitement
as they anxiously await every word of it.
"Oh NO!! Not AGAIN!!!!"
"Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"

Yup!!!....they can't WAIT to hear the cow story!

I have one with hornets...Since it ends up with me being stung and
covered in **** everone enjoys it.


Bertie

These self deprecating stories do seem to be the best received
stories.
It's funny about "stories". Take the one I've posted here about the
cow.
I kid with this one a great deal and have had some fun with it over
the
years, but there's another side to this story.

I've used it as well in safety seminars where I've been asked to
speak with war bird pilots on flight safety issues. Of course in
that venue the more serious side of the same story is emphasized and
all the self deprecation crap is put aside.
When talking to war bird pilots, the cow becomes incidental to the
fact
that the lead in a two ship formation loop has to be velvet smooth,
leave the trailer a few extra inches of manifold pressure and
positive
g
to fool with to use in maintaining position, and most of all, go
through
the high gate position on speed, on altitude, and correctly in the
float.
Stories from us "older folk" have their place in aviation. The same
story can be funny for a forum or it can be a much needed reminder
that
has the potential to save lives.
But.....I digress.........aging by the minute........remembering old
stories :-))



Well, I love them. I have a fw (that pale in comparison to most of
your's) and like telling em. But tghere's nothng like hearing a real
ripper.
I got to talk to a Flying Tiger once. Carl Spaatz's nephew, in fact.
I can't remember his name, bt he told me stories for hours and hours.
Also met a Lancaster pilot that went down in Belgium during the war
and ws missing most of the finger on his left hand as a result. A
Sopwiht Camel driver who came up to my flightdeck, An ex RAF test
pilot who reagled me with tales of flying everything from the Hampden
to the Hornet, a WASP, I worked for a Korean war ace (who is still
alive and will almost certainly humt me down for taking his name in
vain) also worked for a WW2 pilot who flew an A-20 in combat in the
Pacific (he didn't say much abvout it) a CG-4 instructor a B-50 pilot
and I once met Matty Laird though he didn;t tell me any stories, nor
did Dick Rutan or Eric hartman, but I like to imagine my life is
richer for just getting to shake their hand and say "hi". the best of
all must have been Phil Cochran who probably would have told me
anything I wanted to know, but I was only very young and too shy to
ask!

As you probably know, Tony Levier hung around RAH, but died before I
got to ask him anything. I'd have loved to ask him what it was like
to fly in the Greeves or Thompson, but he's flying around somewhere
else now..



Sorry for the ramble! guess the point is, treasure them while they're
here!

Bertie

You're right. Talking with men like these was where I learned my
history. Many are gone now and we;re losing more every day.
I don't know how many hours I spent on the phone with the many friends
I have known from this era.

Aside from hashing about Chennault and the AVG with Scotty and
fighting the air war with a few more close pilot friends from the old
days, I think I appreciated my friendship with Douglas Bader the most.
Strangely enough it wasn't his ability and record as a pilot I
respected the most, but his constant work with paralyzed people,
especially children that I liked and respected him for the most.
What a wonderful person he was. I really miss kidding him about the
endless comparisons I made with the Mustang and his Hurricane and
Spit. Talk about trolling!!!! But it was all in fun, and I miss
Douglas very much. He was a fine gentlemen and a real friend.



K'm speechless.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:



It's the old guys like us who HAVE the stories....simply because
we've
survived most of them :-))
Actaully, I could dine out for a week on the storis I had by the
time
I
was 22. I was a very poor listener.
Sometimes when I actually have the time to sit down and reflect on
some
of the absolutely wild crap I've gotten into and out of in my
career
it
scares the hell out of me :-))

I figure it's mostly been a dream.

Take my "famous"... (with the family at least) story about the day
I took the horns off a cow with a P51. Now THERE'S a story!!

This story is so good that every year at Thanksgiving when I
forget everybody in the house has heard it a thousand times and
trot it out
for
the whole table it's met with shouts of enthusiasm and excitement
as they anxiously await every word of it.
"Oh NO!! Not AGAIN!!!!"
"Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"

Yup!!!....they can't WAIT to hear the cow story!
I have one with hornets...Since it ends up with me being stung and
covered in **** everone enjoys it.


Bertie

These self deprecating stories do seem to be the best received
stories.
It's funny about "stories". Take the one I've posted here about the
cow.
I kid with this one a great deal and have had some fun with it over
the
years, but there's another side to this story.

I've used it as well in safety seminars where I've been asked to
speak with war bird pilots on flight safety issues. Of course in
that venue the more serious side of the same story is emphasized and
all the self deprecation crap is put aside.
When talking to war bird pilots, the cow becomes incidental to the
fact
that the lead in a two ship formation loop has to be velvet smooth,
leave the trailer a few extra inches of manifold pressure and
positive
g
to fool with to use in maintaining position, and most of all, go
through
the high gate position on speed, on altitude, and correctly in the
float.
Stories from us "older folk" have their place in aviation. The same
story can be funny for a forum or it can be a much needed reminder
that
has the potential to save lives.
But.....I digress.........aging by the minute........remembering old
stories :-))


Well, I love them. I have a fw (that pale in comparison to most of
your's) and like telling em. But tghere's nothng like hearing a real
ripper.
I got to talk to a Flying Tiger once. Carl Spaatz's nephew, in fact.
I can't remember his name, bt he told me stories for hours and hours.
Also met a Lancaster pilot that went down in Belgium during the war
and ws missing most of the finger on his left hand as a result. A
Sopwiht Camel driver who came up to my flightdeck, An ex RAF test
pilot who reagled me with tales of flying everything from the Hampden
to the Hornet, a WASP, I worked for a Korean war ace (who is still
alive and will almost certainly humt me down for taking his name in
vain) also worked for a WW2 pilot who flew an A-20 in combat in the
Pacific (he didn't say much abvout it) a CG-4 instructor a B-50 pilot
and I once met Matty Laird though he didn;t tell me any stories, nor
did Dick Rutan or Eric hartman, but I like to imagine my life is
richer for just getting to shake their hand and say "hi". the best of
all must have been Phil Cochran who probably would have told me
anything I wanted to know, but I was only very young and too shy to
ask!

As you probably know, Tony Levier hung around RAH, but died before I
got to ask him anything. I'd have loved to ask him what it was like
to fly in the Greeves or Thompson, but he's flying around somewhere
else now..



Sorry for the ramble! guess the point is, treasure them while they're
here!

Bertie
You're right. Talking with men like these was where I learned my
history. Many are gone now and we;re losing more every day.
I don't know how many hours I spent on the phone with the many friends
I have known from this era.

Aside from hashing about Chennault and the AVG with Scotty and
fighting the air war with a few more close pilot friends from the old
days, I think I appreciated my friendship with Douglas Bader the most.
Strangely enough it wasn't his ability and record as a pilot I
respected the most, but his constant work with paralyzed people,
especially children that I liked and respected him for the most.
What a wonderful person he was. I really miss kidding him about the
endless comparisons I made with the Mustang and his Hurricane and
Spit. Talk about trolling!!!! But it was all in fun, and I miss
Douglas very much. He was a fine gentlemen and a real friend.



K'm speechless.

Bertie

Impossible! I have faith :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Viperdoc writes:

Of course, le chaud lapin means something like the warm rabbit, so perhaps
he is luring us like a rabbit would a pack of dogs, and naturally everyone
fell for it.

"Chaud lapin" means "hot rabbit," and often implies someone very interested in
sex (or some other activity).

Dudley Henriques writes:

I had a student like this guy once, or I should say I had him for the
one lesson it took me to ask him politely to find himself another
instructor.

You might be surprised at the type of student I am.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Viperdoc writes:

Of course, le chaud lapin means something like the warm rabbit, so
perhaps he is luring us like a rabbit would a pack of dogs, and
naturally everyone fell for it.

"Chaud lapin" means "hot rabbit," and often implies someone very
interested in sex (or some other activity).


So, when you picked your sock name you wanted to pick something that
wouldn't make anyone think of you, eh?


Fjukkwit


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Dudley Henriques writes:

I had a student like this guy once, or I should say I had him for the
one lesson it took me to ask him politely to find himself another
instructor.

You might be surprised at the type of student I am.




Nobody would


Bertie