Russian Navy going back to the Med

On Dec 7, 6:01 am, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Tiger" wrote in message

...

Putin now with his sham election is finished is back to military power
moves. In the context of Arms sales to US foes like Chavez, Bear bomber
back in the air, and talk of ending conventional force treaties; this
guy is worth keeping a eye on.

it was trying to keep up militarily last time that bankrupted the old
union. people aren't going to like being in long lines again for goods because the
military is soaking up all the assets of the state.

Russia is riding high on the resources and mineral boom mainly oil and
its consumer economy may now be more efficient so it can afford to
blow some of its money. Having said that if there is a collapse in
demand the people will suffer: not just ques for the wrong goods but
unemployment.

It was the US that was contemplating imperial over reach.

On Dec 6, 12:46 pm, Tiger wrote:
Putin now with his sham election is finished is back to military power
moves. In the context of Arms sales to US foes like Chavez, Bear bomber
back in the air, and talk of ending conventional force treaties; this
guy is worth keeping a eye on.

Yahoo! News
Russian navy to start sorties in Mediterranean



I presume someone in this, sci.military.naval, group will keep track
of how many ships do this act, how long they stay on station and how
many are sent home in some form of casualty.

On Dec 6, 10:48 pm, Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:
Andre Lieven writes:
Lewis Black well explained that USians who proclaim that theirs is
the greatest nation on Earth, *without* even having left it once,
are...

idiots.

And that goes pretty much for any nation. Some of course have to be
right, though, even if they don't know it! :-)

Thats true, though which other nations do it so routinely as the US ?

I cna recall a couple of years that a UN survey said that Canada was
the number one nation in the world to live in, most Canadian's
response
was closer to polite embarrassment than braddagio.

Andre

On Dec 7, 4:36�am, Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Dec 6, 12:46 pm, Tiger wrote:

Putin now with his sham election is finished is back to military power
moves. In the context of Arms sales to US foes like Chavez, Bear bomber
back in the air, and talk of ending conventional force treaties; this
guy is worth keeping a eye on.

Yahoo! News
Russian navy to start sorties in Mediterranean

I presume someone in this, sci.military.naval, group will keep track
of how many ships do this act, how long they stay on station and how
many are sent home in some form of casualty.

I'm just wondering how on earth the Russians scraped all that rust off
their buckets that have sat for over a decade... or are they just
sending 1-2 ships? I hope they don't send any of their submerged
Chernobyls!

Rob

On Dec 7, 3:32 pm, Rob Arndt wrote:
On Dec 7, 4:36�am, Jack Linthicum wrote:

On Dec 6, 12:46 pm, Tiger wrote:

Putin now with his sham election is finished is back to military power
moves. In the context of Arms sales to US foes like Chavez, Bear bomber
back in the air, and talk of ending conventional force treaties; this
guy is worth keeping a eye on.

Yahoo! News
Russian navy to start sorties in Mediterranean

I presume someone in this, sci.military.naval, group will keep track
of how many ships do this act, how long they stay on station and how
many are sent home in some form of casualty.

I'm just wondering how on earth the Russians scraped all that rust off
their buckets that have sat for over a decade... or are they just
sending 1-2 ships? I hope they don't send any of their submerged
Chernobyls!

Rob

http://informationdissemination.blog...g-cvbg-to.html

According to Russian media sources, the naval battle group will be
centered around the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov and will
include 3 warship escorts, two of which are described as anti-
submarine escorts. Additionally seven support ships, 40+ planes, and
10 helicopters will be deployed with the battle group.

This is the largest Russian naval deployment since the Russian Navy
deployed in 1999 in response to the Kosovo conflict, which was the
only major Russian Navy deployment since the end of the cold war of
this size. The deployment of this battle group represents a major
undertaking by the Russian Navy. In a way, we see this deployment as
representative of the past, present, and future of the Russian Navy.

For perspective, the condition of the Russian Fleet was considered so
deteriorated only a decade ago that it was legitimate to assume the
entire fleet would eventually be scrapped. To deploy the 4 warships
and 7 support ships, the Russian Navy appears to be pulling from the
Northern, Black, and Baltic fleets. At present this would appear to
represent the maximum power projection capability of the Russian Navy,
and considering the Russian Navy budget is focused on building
strategic ballistic missile submarines, it appears it may represent
the high end of power projection for the next several years.

The naval battle group will sail down the Norwegian coast and pass
west of Great Britain before passing through the Strait of Gibraltar
where it will conduct exercises in the Mediterranean until February of
2008.

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:27:35 -0800 (PST), Andre Lieven
wrote:

I cna recall a couple of years that a UN survey said that Canada was
the number one nation in the world to live in, most Canadian's
response
was closer to polite embarrassment than braddagio.

The only thing wrong with Canada is the winters.

Casady

On Dec 7, 5:53 pm, (Richard Casady) wrote:
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:27:35 -0800 (PST), Andre Lieven

wrote:
I cna recall a couple of years that a UN survey said that Canada was
the number one nation in the world to live in, most Canadian's
response
was closer to polite embarrassment than braddagio.

The only thing wrong with Canada is the winters.

Casady

and the other season, July

On Dec 7, 5:53 pm, (Richard Casady) wrote:
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:27:35 -0800 (PST), Andre Lieven

wrote:
I can recall a couple of years that a UN survey said that Canada was
the number one nation in the world to live in, most Canadian's
response was closer to polite embarrassment than braddagio.

The only thing wrong with Canada is the winters.

The silly part of such a statement an be seen in the fact that there
is
a very large winter sports/recreation industry, and that parts of
Canada
are, in fact warmer, than parts of the US, even if we leave out
Alaska.

Give me a choice of North Dakota or Vancouver, BC, I'll be happy to be
warm in Canada...

Andre

On Dec 7, 5:57 pm, Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Dec 7, 5:53 pm, (Richard Casady) wrote:

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:27:35 -0800 (PST), Andre Lieven

wrote:
I cna recall a couple of years that a UN survey said that Canada was
the number one nation in the world to live in, most Canadian's
response was closer to polite embarrassment than braddagio.

The only thing wrong with Canada is the winters.

Casady

and the other season, July

The winter of 2006-07 was so mild that there was not a flake of
snow on the ground in Ottawa.

Go, global warming ! g

Andre

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:04:59 -0800 (PST), Andre Lieven
wrote:

On Dec 7, 5:53 pm, (Richard Casady) wrote:
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:27:35 -0800 (PST), Andre Lieven

wrote:
I can recall a couple of years that a UN survey said that Canada was
the number one nation in the world to live in, most Canadian's
response was closer to polite embarrassment than braddagio.

The only thing wrong with Canada is the winters.

The silly part of such a statement an be seen in the fact that there
is
a very large winter sports/recreation industry, and that parts of
Canada
are, in fact warmer, than parts of the US, even if we leave out
Alaska.

Give me a choice of North Dakota or Vancouver, BC, I'll be happy to be
warm in Canada...

Yeah...but...we got South Florida and South Texas. Lots of Canadian
"snowbirds" down there, eh?!?!?!?!?!?! :-)