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On 17 Dec, 19:50, Martin Gregorie wrote:
Ian wrote:

I agree. We really shouldn't need a checklist to tell us to trim or
lookout.

Yes I agree too, Ian. Its just that "U" looks a little stark and
unmemorable to be a decent acronym.

Hmm. What about Approach, Airbrakes, Round out, Ground effect, Hold-
off? For a winch launch we could have Wheel (balance on), Hold level,
Ease back, Establish climb.

Yours for memorable mnemonics,

Ian

On Dec 17, 5:56 pm, Ian wrote:
On 17 Dec, 17:02, "kirk.stant" wrote:
I finally settled on WWW (Wind (direction&strength), Water (dumped, or
if not, adjust speed), Wheels (down before touchdown is good...)).
Those are specific to landing, and missing one of them could cause
something to break. Everything else is basic airmanship.

I agree. We really shouldn't need a checklist to tell us to trim or
lookout.

We *shouldn't*, but we *do*, otherwise there wouldn't be accidents
from people getting too slow in approach or colliding with other
aircraft in circuit.

Anyway that wasn't what I came here to say, this is: few weeks ago I
had a ride in a light plane whose owner and pilot is a senior long-
haul airline captain. I was quite surprised that this very experienced
pilot was using a checklist of all of about four items on what was
already his second flight of the day. The OP's article explains that
well. Even though the checklist was so basic and performed so
frequently, the pilot only needed to forget one step once to kill
us... so he


Dan

On 17 Dec, 23:27, Dan G wrote:
On Dec 17, 5:56 pm, Ian wrote:

I agree. We really shouldn't need a checklist to tell us to trim or
lookout.

We *shouldn't*, but we *do*, otherwise there wouldn't be accidents
from people getting too slow in approach or colliding with other
aircraft in circuit.

Checklists are good for sequences of actions which have to be carried
out relative infrequently, like preparing to take off. Anyone who
needs a checklist to tell them to trim and lookout would have to cycle
though it constantly. Do /you/ have a printed checklist in your
cockpit saying "Look out"?

Ian

On Dec 17, 3:37 pm, Ian wrote:
Anyone who needs a checklist to tell them to trim and lookout would have to cycle
though it constantly. Do /you/ have a printed checklist in your
cockpit saying "Look out"?

I've been taught to use a "LUST" checklist before landing. Lookout,
Undercarriage, Speed, Trim. And while nobody who does not remember
about lookout should be sent solo, I think the "L" in the checklist
makes a perfect sense. Why? Because the lookout changes when you are
about to land. You are supposed to look at the entire pattern now. Is
there someone a kilometer away flying parallel to you? You are going
to meet head-on pretty soon. Is someone about to launch? What are the
chances of the two of you trying to occupy the same point of space at
the same time? What if he has a rope/cable break?

Bartek

Ian wrote:
On 17 Dec, 19:50, Martin Gregorie wrote:
Ian wrote:

I agree. We really shouldn't need a checklist to tell us to trim or
lookout.
Yes I agree too, Ian. Its just that "U" looks a little stark and
unmemorable to be a decent acronym.

Hmm. What about Approach, Airbrakes, Round out, Ground effect, Hold-
off? For a winch launch we could have Wheel (balance on), Hold level,
Ease back, Establish climb.

Yours for memorable mnemonics,

Both are well matched to their stage of the flight: I'm sure their
recall will be effortless.


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On 18 Dec, 19:20, Martin Gregorie wrote:
Ian wrote:

Hmm. What about Approach, Airbrakes, Round out, Ground effect, Hold-
off? For a winch launch we could have Wheel (balance on), Hold level,
Ease back, Establish climb.

Yours for memorable mnemonics,

Both are well matched to their stage of the flight: I'm sure their
recall will be effortless.

I certainly find no difficulty with either. They spring almost
unbidden to my lips.

Ian

On 18 Dec, 17:55, brtlmj wrote:
On Dec 17, 3:37 pm, Ian wrote:

Anyone who needs a checklist to tell them to trim and lookout would have to cycle
though it constantly. Do /you/ have a printed checklist in your
cockpit saying "Look out"?

I've been taught to use a "LUST" checklist before landing. Lookout,
Undercarriage, Speed, Trim. And while nobody who does not remember
about lookout should be sent solo, I think the "L" in the checklist
makes a perfect sense. Why? Because the lookout changes when you are
about to land. You are supposed to look at the entire pattern now. Is
there someone a kilometer away flying parallel to you? You are going
to meet head-on pretty soon. Is someone about to launch? What are the
chances of the two of you trying to occupy the same point of space at
the same time? What if he has a rope/cable break?

That's a fair point. I was taught to check while on base leg that
there is nobody making a straight in approach, and always do. It's
just that "lookout" seems to generic. "Traffic" would be better, I
think.

Ian

Cats wrote:

On Dec 17, 2:57 am, J a c k wrote:

Ian wrote:

How would you define "best glider pilots" there?

They were better than the other glider pilots I've flown with.

Defining 'best' as 'better' is not very helpful IMHO. What exactly
made you feel he is better than the other people you've flown with? I
mean without using terms like 'best', 'better' and so on...


Oh no you don't, my friend. If you really want to know what it's
supposed to look like, then go out and spend fifty years figuring it out
for yourself. You may be willing to take the time to read and absorb a
distillation of all that, but I haven't the time to write it, nor can
you afford my rates.

Besides, it's already been done so much better by Bach, Berent, Buck,
Boyne, Collins, Fowler, Gann, Imelson, Kern, Kershner, Langewiesche,
Plourde, Saint-Exupery, Shilling, Taylor, Webb, Yeager, and a hundred
more. It doesn't come easy, cheap, or fast, but those fellows can point
you in the right direction, and you'll often be entertained enough along
the way to want to stick with it.


Jack