$16,619.85

On 30 Dec 2007 08:21:47 GMT, Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:

One downpoint is that you get little information about other parts of
the world, and what you get seems to be wrong.

What can I say, the information I'm getting comes from you guys..

http://tinyurl.com/2onf6n

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Dallas

Lou wrote in news:2734a54d-d053-43b7-8196-
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a healthier mental existance.

Some horses can be shown a fresh water spring, but won't willingly
drink from it.

You know, if someone could rephase that last line, , it might become a
common saying. Bertie, would "Mx is an idiot" be a suitable rephasing?

Pretty much sums it up.

Bertie

Or in your case Bertie, the blind leading the blind.


Awww, Lou. Still sore?


Hell of a way to go around in life.




Bertie

Martin Hotze wrote in news:fl8kmi$mnp$1
@kirk.hotze.com:

Dallas schrieb:

One downpoint is that you get little information about other parts of
the world, and what you get seems to be wrong.

What can I say, the information I'm getting comes from you guys..

http://tinyurl.com/2onf6n

ok, I did a quick search and this is what I found (just as an example;
so note that this is only *one* example and not a general situation,
prices do vary):
http://www.valentinis.net/fliegen/download/ulig_ausbildung_2007.pdf
page 11 - I do a quick translation:
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45 hours w/Katana DV20 incl. CFI
about 95 hours ground school
test preparation
some training materials (not really much, IMHO)
membership (similar to AOPA)
landing fees for about 150 landings
totals EUR 6,666.00


OOOWWWWWW! the devil's type rating.


This isn't going to play well in Jesusland


Bertie

Hi,

In article ,
Bertie the wrote:
Excellent. Got you and your bird's name on the windscreen?

Nah. The name changes so often I wouldn't be able to afford it.

Andy

Andy Hawkins wrote in
:

Hi,

In article ,
Bertie the wrote:
Excellent. Got you and your bird's name on the windscreen?

Nah. The name changes so often I wouldn't be able to afford it.

He heh.

Bertie

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:32:04 +0100, Martin Hotze wrote:

do you have some other 'facts' than somebody's post in r.a.s?

First place I looked:

http://www.anglianflightcentres.co.uk/prices.html

Assuming best case 45 hours:

45 hours C172 x 121.50 = £ 5,467.00
30 hours instructor x £37 = £ 1.110.00
Total: £ 6,577.50 GBP

$ 13,108.99 USD

Does not include:
One to one ground school with instructor (per hour) £20.00
Fee for the issue of Private Pilots Licence (JAA 5 year) POA
Medical Fee (Depending on age and on ECG Requirements) POA
Landing fee (full member) £5.00
Full Member (annual) £105.00
Proficiency Test £35.00
Skill Test £150.00
R/T test £50.00
IMC test £50.00
PPL Written Exams (each) £20.00

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Dallas

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:32:04 +0100, Martin Hotze wrote:

do you have some other 'facts' than somebody's post in r.a.s?

Second place I looked:

http://www.cabairflyingschools.com/d...RICES-2007.pdf

Cessna 172 - £7,255.00 GBP + VAT

$14,480.60 USD

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Dallas

----
45 hours w/Katana DV20 incl. CFI
about 95 hours ground school
test preparation
some training materials (not really much, IMHO)
membership (similar to AOPA)
landing fees for about 150 landings
totals EUR 6,666.00
according to xe.net (Live rates at 2007.12.30 17:28:04 UTC):
USD 9,827.73

This is a minimum though. I have not come across anybody who has
managed a PPL in 45 hours here in the US. I am sure there are some but
its not usual. Most take between 60 and 70 hrs (that's 50% more than
45 hrs). Bad weather, cancellations etc will quickly add more hours
and in many cases you want to spend extra hours training in a stiff
crosswind for eg.
If the debate is between whether the US or Europe is cheaper for
learning to fly, its a no contest really. Anybody who can afford a
cheap used car in the US can afford to get a PPL in the US.

On Dec 29, 3:01*pm, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
In a previous article, Martin Hotze said:

So to sum it up: Canada or South Africa are a very good alternative.



See for example:
http://www.harvsair.com/site/information/jaa-faq.html

These people have been doing flight training for many years, and claim
half the price of the same thing in Europe.

John Halpenny

schrieb:
----
45 hours w/Katana DV20 incl. CFI
about 95 hours ground school
test preparation
some training materials (not really much, IMHO)
membership (similar to AOPA)
landing fees for about 150 landings
totals EUR 6,666.00
according to xe.net (Live rates at 2007.12.30 17:28:04 UTC):
USD 9,827.73

This is a minimum though.

in the US this might be true.

I have not come across anybody who has
managed a PPL in 45 hours here in the US. I am sure there are some but
its not usual.

see, this is one of the differences. :-)
It took me about 5 or 6 months here in Europe besides a full time job.

Most take between 60 and 70 hrs (that's 50% more than
45 hrs). Bad weather, cancellations etc will quickly add more hours
and in many cases you want to spend extra hours training in a stiff
crosswind for eg.
If the debate is between whether the US or Europe is cheaper for
learning to fly, its a no contest really.

the discussion is whether it's cheaper for Europeans to go to the US for
learning to fly. Right now (IMHO) we're about $5K in the US plus
airfare, housing, time, etc. compared to about $10K in Europe.

Anybody who can afford a
cheap used car in the US can afford to get a PPL in the US.

so a cheap used car sells for about $5K over there?

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