BA 777 crash at Heathrow

"Jay Maynard" wrote in message
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On 2008-01-18, wrote:
Boeing sent an AOG team
^^^
What's an AOG team?
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"Aircraft On Ground"?

Al G

Gilbert Smith wrote in
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In the gliding movement we are taught to aim at the base of the hedge
if undershooting, then hop over it if possible. This is making use of
ground effect of course, perhaps less of a factor with a passenger
jet.

No, they work just the same as any other airplane. They're more like
gliders than they are like lightplanes that way, in fact.

On a general point, the media always praise the wonderful pilot, he
managed to avoid all the worst hazards, etc. etc. As if anyone would
fly into the side of a building if he could avoid it. Who is thinking
of the passengers at a moment like that ??


Really. The old "if I keep my ass in one piece then the passengers will
follow" adage never fails.


Bertie

Jay Maynard wrote in
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On 2008-01-18, wrote:
Boeing sent an AOG team
^^^
What's an AOG team?

Aircraft On Ground. That one fits the description if any one ever did.


Bertie

wrote in
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On Jan 17, 5:23*pm, "Blueskies" wrote:
What the heck happened? Fuel starvation? Doesn't sound like wind
shear cou
ld have been an issue.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...30291_apbritai.
..

All the speculation on here is amusing as usual.

It will most likely turn out to be one of two things:

1. Pilot error (he may try to blame the equipment for his own mistake,
that has happened before).
2. Some system failure, or combination of configurations that resulted
in an unexpected result.

My money is on 1. given that the reports state that the glideslope was
unusual, and he may simply have gotten himself behind the power curve.

Nah,the power curve not as big an issue these days. Spool up times are
almost as fast as pistons and it probably had some sort of Alpha floor
protection anyway. I'll know shortly because I'll be talking to a 777
friend this afternoon.



Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

It will most likely turn out to be one of two things:

1. Pilot error (he may try to blame the equipment for his own mistake,
that has happened before).
2. Some system failure, or combination of configurations that resulted
in an unexpected result.

My money is on 1. given that the reports state that the glideslope was
unusual, and he may simply have gotten himself behind the power curve.


Nah,the power curve not as big an issue these days. Spool up times are
almost as fast as pistons and it probably had some sort of Alpha floor
protection anyway. I'll know shortly because I'll be talking to a 777
friend this afternoon.



Bertie

I know nothing, but in view of the fact that some witnesses reported
that the plane had been banking, could the pilots have been lining up on
the wrong runway, realised their error, and got out of the safe
operating envelope as they tried to re-align?

Pete wrote in news:On5kj.82378$wD5.17163
@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net:



Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

It will most likely turn out to be one of two things:

1. Pilot error (he may try to blame the equipment for his own
mistake,
that has happened before).
2. Some system failure, or combination of configurations that
resulted
in an unexpected result.

My money is on 1. given that the reports state that the glideslope
was
unusual, and he may simply have gotten himself behind the power
curve.


Nah,the power curve not as big an issue these days. Spool up times
are
almost as fast as pistons and it probably had some sort of Alpha
floor
protection anyway. I'll know shortly because I'll be talking to a 777
friend this afternoon.



Bertie

I know nothing, but in view of the fact that some witnesses reported
that the plane had been banking, could the pilots have been lining up
on
the wrong runway, realised their error, and got out of the safe
operating envelope as they tried to re-align?


Nah, not at LHR, anyway. It's early yet. there will be more info as the
weeks pass, but the final report will tell the tale.


Bertie

On Jan 18, 9:58*am, "Al G" wrote:
"Jay Maynard" wrote in message

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On 2008-01-18, wrote:
Boeing sent an AOG team
* * * * * * * * ^^^
What's an AOG team?
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* * "Aircraft On Ground"?

Al *G

Yes, AOG is airplane on ground. Replacement parts marked AOG are
given the highest priority of any cargo by airlines when they are
shipped, even higher than medical. Keeping an airplane on the ground
costs $$$, and everyone in the business knows that.

Dean

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message .. .
Jay Maynard wrote in
:

On 2008-01-18, wrote:
Boeing sent an AOG team
^^^
What's an AOG team?

Aircraft On Ground. That one fits the description if any one ever did.


Bertie

Boy, that's for sure!

"Dylan Smith" wrote in message ...
On 2008-01-18, Blueskies wrote:
What the heck happened? Fuel starvation?

They've already ruled that out (or at least, they've ruled out fuel
_exhaustion_).

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From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

Didn't look like much if any fuel was spilled, even with the big hole in the wing. Didn't see any evidence of fire
either. Does BA use a fuel tank inerting system on these 777s?

I can't imagine what would cause loss of power to both engines at the same time...

Hi,

In article ,
Bertie the wrote:

It's early yet. there will be more info as the weeks pass, but the final
report will tell the tale.

According to a BBC report I heard on the way home tonight (it's the BBC, so
it *must* be true!), the pilot (the Captain wasn't flying at the time
apparently) reported that the engines didn't respond to the demand or
thrust, so they're calling it 'engine failure'.

Like I say, that's the initial report (and via a news agency, so might need
to be taken with a pinch of salt).

Andy