Airline Pilots Fly Past Airport at 20,000'

Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?


http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ingpilots.html
Airline pilots may have slept past their stop in Hawaii
Barbi Walker
The Arizona Republic
Feb. 20, 2008 04:59 PM

The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating whether two
airline pilots who flew past the airport in Hilo Hawaii by 15
miles last Wednesday were asleep.

Go! Airlines flight 1002 left from Honolulu and was expected to
land in Hilo around 10 a.m., but had to turn around after flying
past the airport. ...

A radar track of the flight provided by the Web site
www.flightaware.com shows the plane remained at 21,000 feet as it
flew past Hilo before returning to the airport.

Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?


http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ingpilots.html
Airline pilots may have slept past their stop in Hawaii


Hell, yes.



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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:01:49 -0500, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?


http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ingpilots.html
Airline pilots may have slept past their stop in Hawaii


Hell, yes.


Does that mean that their CRM procedures tolerated one pilot asleep on
the job, or did they both fall asleep simultaneously?

On Feb 21, 10:55*pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:01:49 -0500, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ingpilots.html
* *Airline pilots may have slept past their stop in Hawaii

Hell, yes.

Does that mean that their CRM procedures tolerated one pilot asleep on
the job, or did they both fall asleep simultaneously?

The cockpit voice recorder shows they had just started a conversation
about MSFS and then it went quiet.

Cheers

WingFlaps wrote in news:34daaac1-d38b-44f3-bea6-
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On Feb 21, 10:55*pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:01:49 -0500, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
:

Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ingpilots.html
* *Airline pilots may have slept past their stop in Hawaii

Hell, yes.

Does that mean that their CRM procedures tolerated one pilot asleep on
the job, or did they both fall asleep simultaneously?

The cockpit voice recorder shows they had just started a conversation
about MSFS and then it went quiet.

Cheers

Maybe they got the BSD and had to wait for a reboot to resume flying!:-))

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

Larry Dighera wrote:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ingpilots.html
Airline pilots may have slept past their stop in Hawaii


Hell, yes.


Does that mean that their CRM procedures tolerated one pilot asleep on
the job, or did they both fall asleep simultaneously?


Probably were both exhausted by a schedule that was marginally legal but ill
advised. I would imagine it was not through choice... the company probably
stuck them with it and gave them the choice of fly or quit.

It happens all the time. Believe me, those two weren't the only ones asleep at
the wheel that day. They just got caught.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?

Oxygen issues maybe? Could that happen?

The F.O. must have hit the Snooze button.

-c

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:32:26 -0500, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ingpilots.html
Airline pilots may have slept past their stop in Hawaii


Hell, yes.


Does that mean that their CRM procedures tolerated one pilot asleep on
the job, or did they both fall asleep simultaneously?


Probably were both exhausted by a schedule that was marginally legal but ill
advised.

Perhaps, but it was 0900 local.

I would imagine it was not through choice... the company probably
stuck them with it and gave them the choice of fly or quit.

It happens all the time. Believe me, those two weren't the only ones asleep at
the wheel that day. They just got caught.

Well, thankfully ATC kept calling them before they got out of range.

A little more info:

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#197200
even stranger than usual -- it was 9 o'clock in the
morning, and the flight was a 45-minute hop from Honolulu to Hilo.
Local TV station KGMB9
(http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/4199/40/)
said it obtained a radar track of the flight, which showed it
stayed at 21,000 feet and flew past the Hilo airport about 15
miles out to sea before turning around and returning to descend.
Air traffic controllers reportedly tried to contact the pilots for
25 minutes and got no response.

gatt wrote:


Oxygen issues maybe? Could that happen?


Unlikely. The passengers had no trouble remaining awake. Several of them
noticed as they flew past Hilo at cruising altitude.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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On Feb 20, 8:39*pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?

Naw. They were both on Usenet.