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On Wed, 07 May 2008 19:52:20 -0400, Bob Noel
wrote in : In article , Larry Dighera wrote: Well, you've got to give Boeing high marks for tenacity even if their history of unethical/criminal behavior put them at a disadvantage in this competitive bid for USAF tankers. Here's the latest: "history of unethical/criminal behavior"? Aside from the Drunyan stuff, what history are you thinking about? (Note: I have no interest in Boeing and nothing against Northrup, I'm just uncertain as to what history) That's what I'm thinking about; isn't that enough? But there is the issue with the CEO and something about sexual harassment that got him fired, IIRC. |
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On Thu, 08 May 2008 00:27:38 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote: On Wed, 07 May 2008 19:52:20 -0400, Bob Noel wrote in : In article , Larry Dighera wrote: Well, you've got to give Boeing high marks for tenacity even if their history of unethical/criminal behavior put them at a disadvantage in this competitive bid for USAF tankers. Here's the latest: "history of unethical/criminal behavior"? Aside from the Drunyan stuff, what history are you thinking about? (Note: I have no interest in Boeing and nothing against Northrup, I'm just uncertain as to what history) That's what I'm thinking about; isn't that enough? But there is the issue with the CEO and something about sexual harassment that got him fired, IIRC. ********************************************* Are you talking about Clinton????? He didn't get fired did he? Big John |
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On Thu, 08 May 2008 00:09:16 -0500, Big John
wrote in : On Thu, 08 May 2008 00:27:38 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote: On Wed, 07 May 2008 19:52:20 -0400, Bob Noel wrote in : In article , Larry Dighera wrote: Well, you've got to give Boeing high marks for tenacity even if their history of unethical/criminal behavior put them at a disadvantage in this competitive bid for USAF tankers. Here's the latest: "history of unethical/criminal behavior"? Aside from the Drunyan stuff, what history are you thinking about? (Note: I have no interest in Boeing and nothing against Northrup, I'm just uncertain as to what history) That's what I'm thinking about; isn't that enough? But there is the issue with the CEO and something about sexual harassment that got him fired, IIRC. ********************************************* Are you talking about Clinton????? He didn't get fired did he? Big John http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Mar7.html Boeing CEO Resigns Over Affair With Subordinate By Renae Merle Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 8, 2005; Page A01 Boeing Co. announced yesterday that it forced its chief executive to resign after an investigation uncovered that he had an affair with a female employee. Harry C. Stonecipher, 68, had rejoined Boeing from retirement 15 months ago to help repair the aerospace giant's reputation after a string of military procurement scandals led to the resignation of his predecessor. Harry C. Stonecipher, 68, returned to Boeing on the heels of scandal. (M. Spencer Green--AP) Boeing officials said Stonecipher's ouster was a sign that the company's board has little tolerance for missteps as it struggles to regain its place as a leading global corporation. The board used a code of conduct, adopted last year and proudly touted by Stonecipher as evidence of Boeing's progress, to dismiss him. "It's not the fact that he was having an affair" that caused him to be fired, said Lewis E. Platt, Boeing's non-executive chairman. "But as we explored the circumstances surrounding the affair, we just thought there were some issues of poor judgment that . . . impaired his ability to lead going forward." It was another embarrassing blow for Chicago-based Boeing, whose former chief financial officer Michael M. Sears was sentenced to four months in prison last month for illegally negotiating a job at the company for a former Air Force procurement official who admitted showing Boeing favoritism for years. Boeing promoted current finance chief James A. Bell to be interim chief executive and launched an accelerated search for a permanent replacement. ... |
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Larry Dighera wrote in
: On Thu, 08 May 2008 00:09:16 -0500, Big John wrote in : On Thu, 08 May 2008 00:27:38 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote: On Wed, 07 May 2008 19:52:20 -0400, Bob Noel wrote in : In article , Larry Dighera wrote: Well, you've got to give Boeing high marks for tenacity even if their history of unethical/criminal behavior put them at a disadvantage in this competitive bid for USAF tankers. Here's the latest: "history of unethical/criminal behavior"? Aside from the Drunyan stuff, what history are you thinking about? (Note: I have no interest in Boeing and nothing against Northrup, I'm just uncertain as to what history) That's what I'm thinking about; isn't that enough? But there is the issue with the CEO and something about sexual harassment that got him fired, IIRC. ********************************************* Are you talking about Clinton????? He didn't get fired did he? Big John http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Mar7.html Boeing CEO Resigns Over Affair With Subordinate By Renae Merle Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 8, 2005; Page A01 Boeing Co. announced yesterday that it forced its chief executive to resign after an investigation uncovered that he had an affair with a female employee. Harry C. Stonecipher, 68, had rejoined Boeing from retirement 15 months ago to help repair the aerospace giant's reputation after a string of military procurement scandals led to the resignation of his predecessor. Harry C. Stonecipher, 68, returned to Boeing on the heels of scandal. (M. Spencer Green--AP) Boeing officials said Stonecipher's ouster was a sign that the company's board has little tolerance for missteps as it struggles to regain its place as a leading global corporation. The board used a code of conduct, adopted last year and proudly touted by Stonecipher as evidence of Boeing's progress, to dismiss him. "It's not the fact that he was having an affair" that caused him to be fired, said Lewis E. Platt, Boeing's non-executive chairman. "But as we explored the circumstances surrounding the affair, we just thought there were some issues of poor judgment that . . . impaired his ability to lead going forward." It was another embarrassing blow for Chicago-based Boeing, whose former chief financial officer Michael M. Sears was sentenced to four months in prison last month for illegally negotiating a job at the company for a former Air Force procurement official who admitted showing Boeing favoritism for years. Boeing promoted current finance chief James A. Bell to be interim chief executive and launched an accelerated search for a permanent replacement. ... So, according to you, a CEO of a corporation fooling around is bad, but it is OK for the CEO of the United States, aka POTUS, to get a hummer from an aide while in the Oval Office! |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Mar7.html Boeing CEO Resigns Over Affair With Subordinate By Renae Merle Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 8, 2005; Page A01 Boeing Co. announced yesterday that it forced its chief executive to resign after an investigation uncovered that he had an affair with a female employee. Boeing did exactly what the EEOC expects a company to do in this situation. They investigated the complaint and terminated the employee when they found wrong doing. |
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On 2008-03-12 07:12:17 -0700, AJ said:
Boeing Formally Protests US Air Force Tanker Contract Award Says KC-X RFP Differs From Criteria Cited In Going with KC-45A Boeing's plane actually met the requirements of the request for proposal. Airbus offered a more expensive plane that offered a cargo capability and other features that Boeing was not allowed to offer. Boeing could have offered a 747 tanker with the same capability, but was discouraged from doing so. Then they selected the EADS design on the basis of the cargo capability. Somebody had already decided from the very beginning that the Airbus design would be selected and simply rigged the bidding process to make sure Airbus won. No doubt this was partially in revenge for the way Boeing was awarded the original contract. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor |
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![]() Now the real fun begins: The Boeing Company http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/index.html Boeing Statement on Tanker Protest Ruling ST. LOUIS, June 18, 2008 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] was informed today that the Government Accountability Office (GAO) found in Boeing's favor on a number of issues related to its protest of the U.S. Air Force's award of a $35 billion contract to supply the service with its next-generation aerial refueling aircraft -- or KC-X tankers -- to begin replacing the current fleet of KC-135 tankers. In response to the ruling, Boeing released the following statement from Mark McGraw, vice president, Tanker Programs: "We welcome and support today's ruling by the GAO fully supporting the grounds of our protest. "We appreciate the professionalism and diligence the GAO showed in its review of the KC-X acquisition process. We look forward to working with the Air Force on next steps in this critical procurement for our warfighters." On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:12:17 -0700 (PDT), AJ wrote in : Boeing Formally Protests US Air Force Tanker Contract Award Says KC-X RFP Differs From Criteria Cited In Going with KC-45A (From: Aero-News.net) It's official. Citing irregularities with the process of the competition and the evaluation of the competitors' bids, on Tuesday Boeing filed a formal protest with the Government Accountability Office (GAO), asking the agency to review the decision by the US Air Force to award a contract to a team of Northrop Grumman and European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company (EADS) to replace the aging fleet of KC-135 aerial refueling tankers. "Our analysis of the data presented by the Air Force shows that this competition was seriously flawed and resulted in the selection of the wrong airplane for the war fighter," said Mark McGraw, vice president and program manager, Boeing Tanker Programs. "We have fundamental concerns with the Air Force's evaluation, and we are exercising our right under the process for a GAO review of the decision to ensure that the process by which America's next refueling tanker is selected is fair and results in the best choice for the U.S. war fighters and taxpayers." Following an internal analysis of data presented at a March 7 debriefing on the decision, Boeing concluded what began as an effort by the Air Force to run a fair, open and transparent competition evolved into a process replete with irregularities. These irregularities placed Boeing at a competitive disadvantage throughout this competition, the American plane maker asserts, and even penalized Boeing for offering a commercial-derivative airplane with lower costs and risks and greater protection for troops. "It is clear that the original mission for these tankers -- that is, a medium-sized tanker where cargo and passenger transport was a secondary consideration -- became lost in the process, and the Air Force ended up with an oversized tanker," McGraw said. "As the requirements were changed to accommodate the bigger, less capable Airbus plane, evaluators arbitrarily discounted the significant strengths of the KC-767, compromising on operational capabilities, including the ability to refuel a more versatile array of aircraft such as the V-22 and even the survivability of the tanker during the most dangerous missions it will encounter." Boeing is asking the GAO to examine several factors in the competition, that it states were fundamentally flawed: The contract award and subsequent reports ignore the fact that in reality Boeing and the Northrop/EADS team were assigned identical ratings across all five evaluation factors: 1) Mission Capability, 2) Risk, 3) Past Performance, 4) Cost/Price and 5) Integrated Fleet Aerial Refueling Assessment. Indeed, an objective review of the data as measured against the Request for Proposal shows that Boeing had the better offering in terms of Most Probable Life Cycle Costs, lower risk and better capability. Flaws in this procurement process resulted in a significant gap between the aircraft the Air Force originally set out to procure -- a medium-sized tanker to replace the KC-135, as stated in the RFP -- and the much larger Airbus A330-based tanker it ultimately selected. It is clear that frequent and often unstated changes during the course of the competition -- including manipulation of evaluation criteria and application of unstated and unsupported priorities among the key system requirements -- resulted in selection of an aircraft that was radically different from that sought by the Air Force and inferior to the Boeing 767 tanker offering. Because of the way the Air Force treated Boeing's cost/price data, the company was effectively denied its right to compete with a commercial- derivative product, contrary not only to the RFP but also to federal statute and regulation. The Air Force refused to accept Boeing's Federal Acquisition Regulation-compliant cost/price information, developed over 50 years of building commercial aircraft, and instead treated the company's airframe cost/price information as if it were a military-defense product. Not only did this flawed decision deny the government the manufacturing benefits of Boeing's unique in-line production capability, subjecting the Air Force to higher risk, but it also resulted in a distortion of the price at which Boeing actually offered to produce tankers. In evaluating Past Performance, Boeing claims the Air Force ignored the fact that Boeing -- with 75 years of success in producing tankers -- is the only company in the world that has produced a commercial- derivative tanker equipped with an operational aerial-refueling boom. Rather than consider recent performance assessments that should have enhanced Boeing's position, the Air Force focused on relatively insignificant details on "somewhat relevant" Northrop/EADS programs to the disadvantage of Boeing's experience. "Boeing offered an aircraft that provided the best value and performance for the stated mission at the lowest risk and lowest life cycle cost," said McGraw. "We did bring our A-game to this competition. Regrettably, irregularities in the process resulted in an inconsistent and prejudicial application of procurement practices and the selection of a higher-risk, higher-cost airplane that's less suitable for the mission as defined by the Air Force's own Request For Proposal. We are only asking that the rules of fair competition be followed." For better or for worse, they're gonna do it. Boeing announced early Tuesday it will file a formal protest later today, asking the Government Accountability Office (GAO) to review the decision by the US Air Force to award a contract to a team of Northrop Grumman and European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company (EADS) to replace aerial refueling tankers. "Our team has taken a very close look at the tanker decision and found serious flaws in the process that we believe warrant appeal," said Jim McNerney, Boeing chairman, president and chief executive officer. "This is an extraordinary step rarely taken by our company, and one we take very seriously." Following a debriefing on the decision by the Air Force on March 7, Boeing officials spent three days reviewing the Air Force case for its tanker award. Boeing states a "rigorous" analysis of the Air Force evaluation that resulted in the Northrop/EADS contract led the American plane maker to the conclusion that a protest was necessary. "Based upon what we have seen, we continue to believe we submitted the most capable, lowest risk, lowest Most Probable Life Cycle Cost airplane as measured against the Air Force's Request for Proposal," McNerney said. "We look forward to the GAO's review of the decision." Boeing said it would provide additional details of its case in conjunction with the protest filing on Tuesday. Stay tuned. FMI: www.boeing.com, www.globaltanker.com |
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Larry Dighera wrote: Now the real fun begins: The Boeing Company http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/index.html Boeing Statement on Tanker Protest Ruling ST. LOUIS, June 18, 2008 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] was informed today that the Government Accountability Office (GAO) found in Boeing's favor on a number of issues related to its protest of the U.S. Air Force's award of a $35 billion contract to supply the service with its next-generation aerial refueling aircraft -- or KC-X tankers -- to begin replacing the current fleet of KC-135 tankers. In response to the ruling, Boeing released the following statement from Mark McGraw, vice president, Tanker Programs: "We welcome and support today's ruling by the GAO fully supporting the grounds of our protest. "We appreciate the professionalism and diligence the GAO showed in its review of the KC-X acquisition process. We look forward to working with the Air Force on next steps in this critical procurement for our warfighters." http://www.gao.gov/press/press-boeing2008jun18_3.pdf Of particular note (to this non-lawyer) is: "The GAO recommended that the Air Force reopen discussions with the offerors, obtain revised proposals, re-evaluate the revised proposals, and make a new source selection decision, consistent with the GAO¹s decision. The agency also made a number of other recommendations including that, if the Air Force believed that the solicitation, as reasonably interpreted, does not adequately state its needs, the Air Force should amend the solicitation prior to conducting further discussions with the offerors; that if Boeing¹s proposal is ultimately selected for award, the Air Force should terminate the contract awarded to Northrop Grumman; and that the Air Force reimburse Boeing the costs of filing and pursuing the protest, including reasonable attorneys¹ fees. By statute, the Air Force is given 60 days to inform the GAO of the Air Force¹s actions in response to GAO¹s recommendations." -- Bob Noel (goodness, please trim replies!!!) |
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:37:56 -0400, Bob Noel
wrote in : http://www.gao.gov/press/press-boeing2008jun18_3.pdf Of particular note (to this non-lawyer) is: "The GAO recommended that the Air Force reopen discussions with the offerors, obtain revised proposals, re-evaluate the revised proposals, and make a new source selection decision, consistent with the GAO¹s decision. The agency also made a number of other recommendations including that, if the Air Force believed that the solicitation, as reasonably interpreted, does not adequately state its needs, the Air Force should amend the solicitation prior to conducting further discussions with the offerors; that if Boeing¹s proposal is ultimately selected for award, the Air Force should terminate the contract awarded to Northrop Grumman; and that the Air Force reimburse Boeing the costs of filing and pursuing the protest, including reasonable attorneys¹ fees. By statute, the Air Force is given 60 days to inform the GAO of the Air Force¹s actions in response to GAO¹s recommendations." Thanks for that information. This looks like an opportunity for the USAF to perhaps end up with a price reduction on the contract. Here's an excerpt from Northrop Grumman's last press release before the GAO ruling: http://www.irconnect.com/noc/press/p....html?d=144827 In addition, more delay makes it more likely that money currently set aside for the tanker program could be diverted to other service or U.S. Department of Defense programs. The loss of these funds would require drawing on monies set aside for the KC-X program in 2009, which in turn would cause rippling delays to the entire effort and ultimately increase the overall cost of the new tankers. "While Boeing was within its rights to protest, it has knocked the program three months off schedule," Belote added. "Further delay will achieve nothing but an increase in cost and risk." GAO affirmation of the Air Force selection will be the second win in a row for Northrop Grumman and the KC-45. |
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On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:25:49 -0400, John Smith wrote
in : Norhtrup-Grumman announced the ground breaking for the Alabama assembly facility will be next week. That may be a bit premature. Needless to say, American labor feels granting the contract to Northrop Grumman will send too many US jobs overseas: http://www.teamster.org/08news/nr_080619_1.asp Hoffal Urges Air Force to Terminate Foreign Contract, Keep Military Jobs in U.S. Keeping Military Manufacturing Jobs at Home A Matter of National Security June 19, 2008 (Washington, D.C.) – The Teamsters Union called on the U.S. Air Force to terminate a $35 billion contract for 179 aerial refueling tankers that it unfairly gave to a European manufacturer, and award it to U.S.-based Boeing Co., keeping important military manufacturing jobs in the United States. The Government Accountability Office (GAO), the investigative arm of Congress, cited major errors yesterday in the Air Force’s selection of foreign-built Airbus A330, including unfairly skewering the selection process and misleading Boeing. GAO said the Boeing tanker is less costly to operate, saving American taxpayers $8.5 billion over 25 years. “The Air Force should be ashamed of supporting Europe’s military readiness and economy at the expense of America’s during a time of war and economic duress at home,” said Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa. With the GAO’s scathing report, the Air Force has little choice but to reopen the competition, at the very least. The contract, worth an estimated $108 billion over 25 years, would support 44,000 new jobs at home -- at a time when the United States needs them the most. The nation’s unemployment rate soared to 5.5 percent last month, the biggest jump in 22 years. Americans lost 49,000 jobs in May. “Our skills, knowledge, technology and capital are being packed up and sent overseas,” Hoffa said. “America’s economic power, once the envy of the world, is being threatened. We are giving away our industrial base under the guise of so-called ‘free trade agreements.’” |
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