China to buy Eurofighters?

item: In October, a Chinese official report called for greater trade
with the EU, and for the EU's arms embrago against China to be
lifted.

item: German foreign minister Gerhard Schroder recently visited
China and said arms embrago should be lifted.

item: a spokesman for EADS (large European arms manufacturer, which
is one of the main partners in Eurofighter) recently called for the
embargo to end.

Any speculation as to what weapons China wants to buy? I think the
Eurofighter. Also on the shopping list might be ASRAAM, Meteor and
ASTER anti-aircraft missiles.

There's a more detailed discussion of this on my blog at:
http://www.cabalamat.org/weblog/art_97.html


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phil hunt wrote:
Any speculation as to what weapons China wants to buy? I think the
Eurofighter.

Naturally the EU will agree in the hope of getting exports and secure
the future of the EF. Expect an initial Chinese order for 24 units,
followed by 300+ more built locally after they reverse engineer it.

Cheers
David

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:09:10 +0000, ess (phil
hunt) wrote:

item: In October, a Chinese official report called for greater trade
with the EU, and for the EU's arms embrago against China to be
lifted.

item: German foreign minister Gerhard Schroder recently visited
China and said arms embrago should be lifted.

item: a spokesman for EADS (large European arms manufacturer, which
is one of the main partners in Eurofighter) recently called for the
embargo to end.

Any speculation as to what weapons China wants to buy? I think the
Eurofighter. Also on the shopping list might be ASRAAM, Meteor and
ASTER anti-aircraft missiles.

There's a more detailed discussion of this on my blog at:
http://www.cabalamat.org/weblog/art_97.html


In my opinion selling them top of the line stuff is the height of
stupidity. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what the
situation is going to be with China and the West in ten to fifteen
years.

"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:09:10 +0000, ess (phil
hunt) wrote:

item: In October, a Chinese official report called for greater trade
with the EU, and for the EU's arms embrago against China to be
lifted.

item: German foreign minister Gerhard Schroder recently visited
China and said arms embrago should be lifted.

item: a spokesman for EADS (large European arms manufacturer, which
is one of the main partners in Eurofighter) recently called for the
embargo to end.

Any speculation as to what weapons China wants to buy? I think the
Eurofighter. Also on the shopping list might be ASRAAM, Meteor and
ASTER anti-aircraft missiles.

There's a more detailed discussion of this on my blog at:
http://www.cabalamat.org/weblog/art_97.html


In my opinion selling them top of the line stuff is the height of
stupidity. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what the
situation is going to be with China and the West in ten to fifteen
years.

Please explain. I see no conflict coming.

Adrian Edmonds

Scott Ferrin wrote in message
...



In my opinion selling them top of the line stuff is the height of
stupidity. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what the
situation is going to be with China and the West in ten to fifteen
years.

What makes you think the Europeans don't want the next problem for the
US to be as bad as possible? They have no hope of exceeding the US
unless a full-scale war devastates the US. The fact that it helps
communists is a happy coincidence.

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"tscottme" wrote in message
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Scott Ferrin wrote in message
...



In my opinion selling them top of the line stuff is the height of
stupidity. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what the
situation is going to be with China and the West in ten to fifteen
years.

What makes you think the Europeans don't want the next problem for the
US to be as bad as possible? They have no hope of exceeding the US
unless a full-scale war devastates the US. The fact that it helps
communists is a happy coincidence.


In fact there is no prospect of the ban being lifted anytime soon.
While the French Government and some corporate bodies
have pressed for it the EU itself has stated that it has no
plans to lift the embargo and even if it did has stated that
other agreements controlling the arms trade would prevent
such deliveries taking place.



In fact the main suppliers of high tech weaponry to China
have been Israel and Russia and even the USA supplied
dual use technology supposedly for satellite launching
that is believed to have been used in the Chinese
missile program. Finally of course we miust recall that Boeing has a
large operation in China, publically states that it supports
the one China policy and Condit is president of the
US China business council.

Keith

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"Adrian" wrote:

"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message

In my opinion selling them top of the line stuff is the height of
stupidity. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what the
situation is going to be with China and the West in ten to fifteen
years.

Please explain. I see no conflict coming.

China has a lot of "issues" of the type that usually leads to war in one
way or another.

They're on the edge of running out of oil, and don't have a strong
enough economy in most other respects to let them buy enough for their
near-future needs. There are, however, areas in their vicinity (Siberia
and Malaysia for example) that have oil.

They have population imbalance problems, with far too many young men
(due to their terrible laws about family size).

The Chinese government, despite the perceptions of some, is fairly
nasty, and the Taiwan situation alone could make things go very bad,
very fast.

It wouldn't take much for a single event to push China over the edge. A
major earthquake at the Three Gorges Dam after it's filled up, for
example. In one stroke, they would lose much of their future electrical
generation *and* a lot of their crops and industrial production for a
year or two.

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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:11:46 -0600, "tscottme" wrote:

Scott Ferrin wrote in message
.. .



In my opinion selling them top of the line stuff is the height of
stupidity. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what the
situation is going to be with China and the West in ten to fifteen
years.

What makes you think the Europeans don't want the next problem for the
US to be as bad as possible? They have no hope of exceeding the US
unless a full-scale war devastates the US. The fact that it helps
communists is a happy coincidence.

Roger that. The europeans are hardly our "friends".

Al Minyard

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:59:40 +1100, David Bromage wrote:
phil hunt wrote:
Any speculation as to what weapons China wants to buy? I think the
Eurofighter.

Naturally the EU will agree in the hope of getting exports and secure
the future of the EF. Expect an initial Chinese order for 24 units,
followed by 300+ more built locally after they reverse engineer it.

How easy would it be for them to reverse engineer things like the
radar and other avionics?

I suspect they might have trouble with the composites in the
structure, too.

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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:40:56 +0200, Adrian wrote:
"David Bromage" wrote in message
. ..
phil hunt wrote:
Any speculation as to what weapons China wants to buy? I think the
Eurofighter.

Naturally the EU will agree in the hope of getting exports and secure
the future of the EF. Expect an initial Chinese order for 24 units,
followed by 300+ more built locally after they reverse engineer it.

Cheers
David


That will take them quite a while. Some of the RF elements were hard to do
even for Western technology. The AQ requirements and testing were beyond
what I had ever met when I worked on it.

What's AQ?

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