Bush Threatens Veto Of Any Bills That Don't Include User Fees For Everyone Talking To ATC!

One wonders what McCain's position on ATC user fees might be:

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article...26funding.html
The Bush White House has been clinging to user fees, and has
threatened to veto any bill that doesn’t give the airlines more
control over the air traffic control system and doesn’t include
user fees for everyone talking to ATC.



http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article...30funding.html
The president’s top advisors made it very clear on April 29 that
if Congress sends him a bill that does not include user fees, and
does not give the airlines greater control over the air traffic
control system, they want him to veto the FAA funding legislation.

The White House once again cited its failed FAA funding bill as
the model, and said the legislation currently under consideration
by Congress does not align “FAA’s revenues with its costs through
fair fees linked to usage of the system,” nor does it include “a
broader set of aviation stakeholders in the oversight and
management” of the air traffic control system. (Administration
proposals would give the majority users of air traffic control—the
airlines—also majority say in ATC management.)



https://www.aopa.org/faafundingdebate/petition_form.cfm
AOPA Petition Against User Fees

Get involved! Help prevent user fees and avgas tax hikes by adding
your name to this petition.

I, as a pilot and aviation enthusiast, hereby endorse the
following principles in consideration of how the FAA is to be
financed in the futu

* Federal airport funding should be sustained at no less than
current levels ($3.7 billion).
* Excise taxes are the best way for all aviation users to
support the system.
* Congress must maintain its oversight of the FAA.
* The General Fund must continue to provide at least 21.5% of
the FAA’s budget.
* There is no place for user fees in the world’s largest,
safest, most efficient air transportation system.

In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

One wonders what McCain's position on ATC user fees might be:

No one wonders what Obama's position is?

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:57:53 -0400, Bob Noel
wrote in
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In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

One wonders what McCain's position on ATC user fees might be:

No one wonders what Obama's position is?


Are you intimating that Obama's ATC user fee view is aligned with
Bush's?

On Jun 30, 11:16*am, Larry Dighera wrote:

Are you intimating that Obama's ATC user fee view is aligned with
Bush's?

I think we all just assume that taxes are going to be crippling under
Obama. He's already started warning us by saying he's increasing the
social security tax. That's going to hit many of us.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
...
On Jun 30, 11:16 am, Larry Dighera wrote:

Are you intimating that Obama's ATC user fee view is aligned with
Bush's?

I think we all just assume that taxes are going to be crippling under
Obama. He's already started warning us by saying he's increasing the
social security tax. That's going to hit many of us.

As far as the user fees debate goes, someone is going to pay for aviation.
The only question is who that someone is going to be.

McCain heavily supports user fees, period.

As far as taxes in general goes, NOT paying taxes is more crippling. Almost
8 years of failed supply-side, borrow-and-spend policies have without
question crippled this nation.

On Jun 30, 12:19*pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in ...
As far as the user fees debate goes, someone is going to pay for aviation.
The only question is who that someone is going to be.

We're paying for it now (including an aviation fund surplus) so I
guess your point is that we should pay for it twice.


McCain heavily supports user fees, period.

As far as taxes in general goes, NOT paying taxes is more crippling. *Almost
8 years of failed supply-side, borrow-and-spend policies have without
question crippled this nation.

Oh, I should have known you're a liberal with a limited knowledge of
economics.

-Robert, MBA

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jun 30, 11:16 am, Larry Dighera wrote:


Are you intimating that Obama's ATC user fee view is aligned with
Bush's?


I think we all just assume that taxes are going to be crippling under
Obama. He's already started warning us by saying he's increasing the
social security tax. That's going to hit many of us.

Won't hit me. By the time I'm eligible for the Socialist Security I've
been paying into all my life, it'll be gone.

-c

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:19:30 GMT, "Mike" wrote
in 6laak.144$Ae3.138@trnddc05:

As far as the user fees debate goes, someone is going to pay for aviation.
The only question is who that someone is going to be.


It would seem to me, that if the tax to fund ATC were based _solely_
on aviation fuel purchases, only those who fly or ship freight would
be paying it (with the possible exceptions of the military, gliders,
airships, balloons, and aircraft with a MoGas STC). The tax could be
collected from the producer/refiner, so that there are far fewer bills
to manage than if it were levied on a per-ATC-use basis. What could
be more equitable? The ATC tax would be levied against those who use
ATC services commensurate with their usage. Air carrier ticket tax is
not equitable, for example, because a dead-heading airline flight pays
no tax but still uses ATC services.

In any event, I'm happy to hear that Bush's advisors want to apply
user fees to military ATC usage, for that is what is intimated in the
phrase "everyone talking to ATC."

gatt wrote in news:208405.vk4.17.3
@integratelecom.com:

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jun 30, 11:16 am, Larry Dighera wrote:


Are you intimating that Obama's ATC user fee view is aligned with
Bush's?


I think we all just assume that taxes are going to be crippling under
Obama. He's already started warning us by saying he's increasing the
social security tax. That's going to hit many of us.

Won't hit me. By the time I'm eligible for the Socialist Security I've
been paying into all my life, it'll be gone.

-c


Really? I'll collect on it and I don;t even pay SS!

Thanks, man!




Bertie

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jun 30, 12:19 pm, "Mike" wrote:

Oh, I should have known you're a liberal with a limited knowledge of
economics.

-Robert, MBA

Aw, Christ. Not only a Calfornian, but an MBA. They know EVERYTHING.

"The criticism we hear most has to do with arrogance," says Bill
Boulding, associate dean for the daytime MBA Program at Duke
University's Fuqua School of Business, "essentially that students leave
MBA programs thinking they should be CEO and tell everyone what to do
when in fact they may not even be prepared to do the job they've taken.""

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...7/ai_n21067809



:P


-c