cabin pressure and health

"Dakota" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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They're worth a lot of money now!
I got a rubber boot to go over the distributor on most of the brit
cars I owned. It did help a lot. Just had to replace the cap on my VW
for the same reason. Must be twenty years since moisture stopped a
car of mine..


Bertie

You have a VW also?

Do you have to push it home as often as you do your motorcycle, or do
you let someone else work on it?


Nope, work on it myself as much as possible.


Bertie

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James wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Robert Moore wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote

The next generation are eschewing bleed air driven pressurisation
and going to seperate supercharger systems. A lot of older
turboprops used this system as well as a small number of jets. The
787 will have this system.

The B-707 had both Bleed Air and Turbochargers. We used the
Turbochargers most of the time. An engine bleed line spun a turbine
which then turned a fresh outside air compressor.


Yeah, that was the jet exception I had noted. You were lucky you
didn't have to breath the compresser section air in that thing!
The JT8 was OK AFAIK There would have been some fumes, but the
RB-211 is a complete piece of junk. The Brits never could build an
oil tight engine....

Thats why you never change the oil in a british engine, you just
change the filter every 6000 miles, with the leak and replace of the
oil, oil changes are just a waste of time.



True, and they actually don't change the oils in RB 211s either! That
is
part of the problem. As jet oil ages it gets thinner and leaks more
easily, and it also gets smellier.




Bertie

Much like the fluid on your brain.


Awww, hurted feewins agian maxine?



Bertie

"Dakota" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Robert Moore wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote
The next generation are eschewing bleed air driven pressurisation
and going to seperate supercharger systems. A lot of older
turboprops used this system as well as a small number of jets. The
787 will have this system.

The B-707 had both Bleed Air and Turbochargers. We used the
Turbochargers most of the time. An engine bleed line spun a turbine
which then turned a fresh outside air compressor.

Yeah, that was the jet exception I had noted. You were lucky you
didn't have to breath the compresser section air in that thing!
The JT8 was OK AFAIK There would have been some fumes, but the
RB-211 is a
complete piece of junk. The Brits never could build an oil tight
engine....




Bertie

Damn, I wish they would have let you design it. It would have been
perfect, uh.


Couldn't have done any worse...


Bertie

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Thin air and even radiation exposure are insignificant in comparison
to
the problems associated with engine oil seeping into the aircon. Some
airplanes are a lot worse than others, the older Rolls Royce powered
757s and TriStars being the worst with the Lycoming Powered Bae 146s
not
far behind. Almost all have the problem to some extent or another.
All jet oils, particularly Mobil, contain huge amounts of nasties
such
as organo-phosphates which affect the central nervous system and are
extremely hard to get rid of. Almost all airliners have this problem,
however, and every time you fly on one you get a certain amount of
this
crap in you.
If you ever get on an airliner and you get a certain sour "smelly
socks" smell, that means there's an unusually high concentration and
that the engine seals arent doing their job. If you get enough in
your
system during a flight, you'll probably have runny eyes and
irritation
in your throat and sinuses. If you get a high enough dose in one
flight,
you'll also have a nice tingly headache right at the top of your
skull.
A major dose will bring about a night wither on, or kneeling in front
of
the toilet...
It's a huge problem that the airlines and manufacturers are keeping
as
quiet as possible about because of the huge liability exposure they
have. The next generation are eschewing bleed air driven
pressurisation
and going to seperate supercharger systems. A lot of older turboprops
used this system as well as a small number of jets. The 787 will have
this system.



Bertie

I'll forward this to all the airlines and let them know their pilots
are
concerned enough to be posting to the world.


That might help, you never know.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Dakota" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Robert Moore wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote
The next generation are eschewing bleed air driven pressurisation
and going to seperate supercharger systems. A lot of older
turboprops used this system as well as a small number of jets. The
787 will have this system.

The B-707 had both Bleed Air and Turbochargers. We used the
Turbochargers most of the time. An engine bleed line spun a turbine
which then turned a fresh outside air compressor.

Yeah, that was the jet exception I had noted. You were lucky you
didn't have to breath the compresser section air in that thing!
The JT8 was OK AFAIK There would have been some fumes, but the
RB-211 is a
complete piece of junk. The Brits never could build an oil tight
engine....




Bertie

Damn, I wish they would have let you design it. It would have been
perfect, uh.


Couldn't have done any worse...


Bertie

Yeah, lamers like you are usually of such an opinion.

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Dakota" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Robert Moore wrote in
5.205:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote
The next generation are eschewing bleed air driven pressurisation
and going to seperate supercharger systems. A lot of older
turboprops used this system as well as a small number of jets.
The
787 will have this system.

The B-707 had both Bleed Air and Turbochargers. We used the
Turbochargers most of the time. An engine bleed line spun a
turbine
which then turned a fresh outside air compressor.

Yeah, that was the jet exception I had noted. You were lucky you
didn't have to breath the compresser section air in that thing!
The JT8 was OK AFAIK There would have been some fumes, but the
RB-211 is a
complete piece of junk. The Brits never could build an oil tight
engine....




Bertie

Damn, I wish they would have let you design it. It would have been
perfect, uh.


Couldn't have done any worse...


Bertie

Yeah, lamers like you are usually of such an opinion.


Oh do tell us your take on labyrinth seals then, wannabe boi.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Bertie

Yeah, lamers like you are usually of such an opinion.


Oh do tell us your take on labyrinth seals then, wannabe boi.


Bertie

I'm not the one claiming to be the whiz kid lamer, you are.

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Bertie

Yeah, lamers like you are usually of such an opinion.


Oh do tell us your take on labyrinth seals then, wannabe boi.


Bertie

I'm not the one claiming to be the whiz kid lamer, you are.




I made no claim. You gave me an accolade and I merely conceded that you
were correct.


Fjukktard.

Bertie

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"Dakota" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Robert Moore wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote
The next generation are eschewing bleed air driven pressurisation
and going to seperate supercharger systems. A lot of older
turboprops used this system as well as a small number of jets. The
787 will have this system.

The B-707 had both Bleed Air and Turbochargers. We used the
Turbochargers most of the time. An engine bleed line spun a turbine
which then turned a fresh outside air compressor.

Yeah, that was the jet exception I had noted. You were lucky you
didn't have to breath the compresser section air in that thing!
The JT8 was OK AFAIK There would have been some fumes, but the
RB-211 is a
complete piece of junk. The Brits never could build an oil tight
engine....




Bertie

Damn, I wish they would have let you design it. It would have been
perfect, uh.


Couldn't have done any worse...


Bertie

From all that I heard, back when Eastern was flying L1011's, that is putting
it politely.

Peter

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"Dakota" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Robert Moore wrote in
5.205:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote
The next generation are eschewing bleed air driven pressurisation
and going to seperate supercharger systems. A lot of older
turboprops used this system as well as a small number of jets.
The 787 will have this system.

The B-707 had both Bleed Air and Turbochargers. We used the
Turbochargers most of the time. An engine bleed line spun a
turbine which then turned a fresh outside air compressor.

Yeah, that was the jet exception I had noted. You were lucky you
didn't have to breath the compresser section air in that thing!
The JT8 was OK AFAIK There would have been some fumes, but the
RB-211 is a
complete piece of junk. The Brits never could build an oil tight
engine....




Bertie

Damn, I wish they would have let you design it. It would have been
perfect, uh.


Couldn't have done any worse...


Bertie

From all that I heard, back when Eastern was flying L1011's, that is
putting it politely.


Still plenty of airplanes flying around with RB 211s as well.

In fact, I've been on a few of Lufthansa's 146's and they reek of the
**** as well.



Bertie