See You : "Task Not Finished"

When I look at my flights in See You, it always tells me I haven't
completed the task. I don't know if it's because See You wants me to
fly cylinders, or of the ZERO entries in my Takeoff and Landing
Coordinates are the issue. Here's what shows in the declaration:

C0000000N00000000WTAKEOFF
C3803480N11705370W*TONOPAH
C3918500N11450510WEly AP
C3924400N11656600WAustin6
C3803480N11705370W*TONOPAH
C0000000N00000000WLANDING

In case anyone is bored and feeling like digging into it, this is the
flight:

http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0...Id=-1674917029

If the issue is the TAKEOFF and LANDING coordinates, I don't know how
to get them in the 302A declaration. Need help dispelling my
ignorance.

TIA

You are not required to declared your takeoff and landing points. The zeros
in the declaration code will not affect your flight claim nor will they
affect SeeYou.
The problem here is that SeeYou has awarded you an oputlanding before the
first turn point, and I cannot see why. There is a glitch in the SeeYou
analysis somewhere.
Clearly you completed the task.
When I analyse flight claims, I do not rely on what SeeYou tells me. It is
an aid, but not the final word. I use it to enable me to make a step by
step analysis of the flight.
If someone can say why SeeYou awarded an outlanding, and stopped recording
task time, while still recording all other parameters, I'd love to hear
it.
Pam Kurstjens
Data Analyst
Australia

At 22:44 10 November 2008, Uncle Fuzzy wrote:
When I look at my flights in See You, it always tells me I haven't
completed the task. I don't know if it's because See You wants me to
fly cylinders, or of the ZERO entries in my Takeoff and Landing
Coordinates are the issue. Here's what shows in the declaration:

C0000000N00000000WTAKEOFF
C3803480N11705370W*TONOPAH
C3918500N11450510WEly AP
C3924400N11656600WAustin6
C3803480N11705370W*TONOPAH
C0000000N00000000WLANDING

In case anyone is bored and feeling like digging into it, this is the
flight:

http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0...Id=-1674917029

If the issue is the TAKEOFF and LANDING coordinates, I don't know how
to get them in the 302A declaration. Need help dispelling my
ignorance.

TIA

On Nov 10, 3:30*pm, Pam Kurstjens wrote:
You are not required to declared your takeoff and landing points. The zeros
in the declaration code will not affect your flight claim nor will they
affect SeeYou.
The problem here is that SeeYou has awarded you an oputlanding before the
first turn point, and I cannot see why. There is a glitch in the SeeYou
analysis somewhere.
Clearly you completed the task.
When I analyse flight claims, I do not rely on what SeeYou tells me. It is
an aid, but not the final word. I use it to enable me to make a step by
step analysis of the flight.
If someone can say why SeeYou awarded an outlanding, and stopped recording
task time, while still recording all other parameters, I'd love to hear
it.
Pam Kurstjens
Data Analyst
Australia

At 22:44 10 November 2008, Uncle Fuzzy wrote:



When I look at my flights in See You, it always tells me I haven't
completed the task. *I don't know if it's because See You wants me to
fly cylinders, or of the ZERO entries in my Takeoff *and Landing
Coordinates are the issue. *Here's what shows in the declaration:

C0000000N00000000WTAKEOFF
C3803480N11705370W*TONOPAH
C3918500N11450510WEly AP
C3924400N11656600WAustin6
C3803480N11705370W*TONOPAH
C0000000N00000000WLANDING

In case anyone is bored and feeling like digging into it, this is the
flight:

http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0....html?flightId...

If the issue is the TAKEOFF and LANDING coordinates, I don't know how
to get them in the 302A declaration. *Need help dispelling my
ignorance.

TIA- Hide quoted text -

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Me too!

Go to / Edit / Optimize while viewing the flight.

This will open the window on the RHS showing the various distances
optimized.

Select OLC.

At the bottom of this window, click the 'Copy' button.

This will copy the selected optimized task to the flight, and the
stats etc. will now be corrected.

Regards, Bernie.
(See you at Narromine Pam!)

PS:

If you search on "photo landing" at http://www.naviter.si/forum/index.php
you will find more info on the actual reason, but I am not really any
the wiser after reading the answers from Andrej.

From http://www.naviter.si/forum/index.php?topic=1004.0

2. If you have a task in your IGC file, then you will get the
statistics according to that task as if you flew it in competition.
This includes the fact that the closest point to the next Waypoint
that was not reached will be the "landout", formerly known as Photo-
landing.

If you wish to have the statistics for the flown task (and get rid of
the Photolanding mark) do this:
.. Optimiize the flight (CTRL+L)
.. Choose one type of task, then press Copy button
.. Go to Statistics and enjoy the full stats over this newly assigned
task

Point 2 suggests that you turned short of the next waypoint on that
part of the flight, and got scored to that point.
As I don't have US waypoints in See You (I'm Australian) I can't check
but you probably can!
The optimize/copy process I described ignores your actual DECLARED
TP's and just uses arbitrary points along your flight path that fit
the selected criteria (ie, OLC, FAI, whatever)

See You thinks your task is a 571.0 Km triangle for some reason. (See
the light blue/mauve line on the map) and had FAI sector TP's. You
actually didn't go though the sector near the photo landing,
and then your course described a semi circle to the left, but I dont
think you ever got closer to the sector than the photo landing point.

So that agrees with the above: " the closest point to the next
Waypoint that was not reached". Perhaps your latest task didnt upload
properly, and a prior task with a very similar route to what you flew
was still declared? Tricky stuff.

Regards, Bernie.

Me again!

Actually I looked at your initial post and see that what you declared
IS the task See You knows about (571.0 Km triangle). I thought you
had more TP's for a while there.

But you clearly didn't go through the FAI sectors, you certainly went
beyond them substantially....... but thats not the same as through
them!

And if you zoom in, you'll see that you didn't get any closer to the
apex of the Ely AP sector than the photo landing point in your orbit
to the North East.

So See You is working as designed I'd say.......... and you either
have to try harder to get the sectors or just use the Edit/Optmize/
Copy process to get your distance.

Regards, Bernie.

On Nov 10, 4:45*pm, Bernie wrote:
Me again!

Actually I looked at your initial post and see that what you declared
IS *the task See You knows about (571.0 Km triangle). I thought you
had more TP's for a while there.

But you clearly didn't go through the FAI sectors, you certainly went
beyond them substantially....... *but thats not the same as through
them!

And if you zoom in, you'll see that you didn't get any closer to the
apex of the Ely AP sector than the photo landing point in your orbit
to the North East.

So See You is working as designed I'd say.......... * and you either
have to try harder to get the sectors or just use the Edit/Optmize/
Copy process to get your distance.

Regards, Bernie.

Okay. I'm obviously mistaken about the nature of the FAI Sector. I
had believed the legs were infinitely long, and haven't found a
reference in the FAI Sporting code that specifies any size for the
sector. Doesn't mean it's not there, just means I haven't found it
yet. If you have a reference, please post it. I didn't claim the
flight for anything but OLC, but would hate to be attempting a badge
fligth and find out only after the flight that I'd blown it!

Thanks
Jim

On Nov 10, 5:41*pm, Uncle Fuzzy wrote:
On Nov 10, 4:45*pm, Bernie wrote:





Me again!

Actually I looked at your initial post and see that what you declared
IS *the task See You knows about (571.0 Km triangle). I thought you
had more TP's for a while there.

But you clearly didn't go through the FAI sectors, you certainly went
beyond them substantially....... *but thats not the same as through
them!

And if you zoom in, you'll see that you didn't get any closer to the
apex of the Ely AP sector than the photo landing point in your orbit
to the North East.

So See You is working as designed I'd say.......... * and you either
have to try harder to get the sectors or just use the Edit/Optmize/
Copy process to get your distance.

Regards, Bernie.

Okay. *I'm obviously mistaken about the nature of the FAI Sector. *I
had believed the legs were infinitely long, and haven't found a
reference in the FAI Sporting code that specifies any size for the
sector. *Doesn't mean it's not there, just means I haven't found it
yet. *If you have a reference, please post it. *I didn't claim the
flight for anything but OLC, but would hate to be attempting a badge
fligth and find out only after the flight that I'd blown it!

Thanks
Jim- Hide quoted text -

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This is an excerpt from the FAI Sporting code.

4.6 Choice of observation zone
There are two observation zone
shapes; the traditional sector OZ, and the new cylinder (or “beer
can”) OZ that requires FR use. The
sector OZ is unlimited in distance from its turn point within the
sector boundaries, while the cylinder
OZ area is limited to within 500 metres of the turn point. The
cylinder OZ has some advantages, as
when declaring a badge or record in conjunction with a competition
flight, and some FRs only allow
this sector to be used, but the cylinder OZ can severely restrict a
pilot’s chances of achieving a predeclared
turn point.

Jim,

I think you are absolutely correct, you've got me there!

The only think I can think of is that Andrej from See You says:

".... you will get the statistics according to that task as if you
flew it in competition. "

and I'm wondering if competition TP's are different to badge TP's and
enforce the limited radius?

Or perhaps it is a function of how your TP sectors are defined in
See You?

Regards, Bernie.