Help with LOA

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If you received this email from me then you are a friend to me and/or
a general aviation and soaring. I am asking you to help me, please.

I have been and am presently fighting a battle for glider operations
at Midway Regional (JWY) a Class E Airport. I have an appointment to
speak to the Director of the Southwest Region, Airports Division. He
is the person in charge of making a ruling on this matter. He has
requested that I bring an example of a Letter of Agreement between any
FSDO (Flight Standards District Office) and any operator having
surface operations on other than the hard surface runway. Glider
operations would be great, but balloon operations, ultralight, or
parachute operations would be wonderful as well. Anything, as long as
the ground operations are outside of the hard surface runway. I have
researched on my computer until my eyes are bad. Please help me. Think
of anywhere you know of where they are operating or staging within
250' of the runway. Do they have an LOA? Can we access that?

I would not ask for your help if there was any other way. Please see
what you can find and help me with this. I am sorry to be asking for
this, but I am grateful for your help.


Yours,

Carol

On Oct 14, 7:40*am, wrote:
I'm posting this to see if we can help a friend. *If you can please
drop her a line at WalkerCL at AOL.com

If you received this email from me then you are a friend to me and/or
a general aviation and soaring. I am asking you to help me, please.

* I have been and am presently fighting a battle for glider operations
at Midway Regional (JWY) a Class E Airport. I have an appointment to
speak to the Director of the Southwest Region, Airports Division. He
is the person in charge of making a ruling on this matter. He has
requested that I bring an example of a Letter of Agreement between any
FSDO (Flight Standards District Office) and any operator having
surface operations on other than the hard surface runway. Glider
operations would be great, but balloon operations, ultralight, or
parachute operations would be wonderful as well. Anything, as long as
the ground operations are outside of the hard surface runway. I have
researched on my computer until my eyes are bad. Please help me. Think
of anywhere you know of where they are operating or staging within
250' of the runway. Do they have an LOA? Can we access that?

* I would not ask for your help if there was any other way. Please see
what you can find and help me with this. I am sorry to be asking for
this, but I am grateful for your help.

Yours,

Carol

I know of glider operations that routinely land and sometimes takeoff
using grassy areas next to runways. I've never heard of anyone
needing to get a Letter of Agreement with the FAA for these types of
ops. I guess to me it was always common sense. The glider clubs use
that area more or less at their own risk but they know the condition
and it keeps gliders out of the way of power traffic. I guess we
always figured you didn't need an LOA for common sense...sorry that
you've gotten to this point.

On Oct 14, 7:40*am, wrote:
I'm posting this to see if we can help a friend. *If you can please
drop her a line at WalkerCL at AOL.com

If you received this email from me then you are a friend to me and/or
a general aviation and soaring. I am asking you to help me, please.

* I have been and am presently fighting a battle for glider operations
at Midway Regional (JWY) a Class E Airport. I have an appointment to
speak to the Director of the Southwest Region, Airports Division. He
is the person in charge of making a ruling on this matter. He has
requested that I bring an example of a Letter of Agreement between any
FSDO (Flight Standards District Office) and any operator having
surface operations on other than the hard surface runway. Glider
operations would be great, but balloon operations, ultralight, or
parachute operations would be wonderful as well. Anything, as long as
the ground operations are outside of the hard surface runway. I have
researched on my computer until my eyes are bad. Please help me. Think
of anywhere you know of where they are operating or staging within
250' of the runway. Do they have an LOA? Can we access that?

* I would not ask for your help if there was any other way. Please see
what you can find and help me with this. I am sorry to be asking for
this, but I am grateful for your help.

Yours,

Carol

I know of glider operations that routinely land and sometimes takeoff
using grassy areas next to runways. I've never heard of anyone
needing to get a Letter of Agreement with the FAA for these types of
ops. I guess to me it was always common sense. The glider clubs use
that area more or less at their own risk but they know the condition
and it keeps gliders out of the way of power traffic. I guess we
always figured you didn't need an LOA for common sense...sorry that
you've gotten to this point.

Elmira, New York for one.

On Oct 14, 8:40*am, wrote:
I'm posting this to see if we can help a friend. *If you can please
drop her a line at WalkerCL at AOL.com

If you received this email from me then you are a friend to me and/or
a general aviation and soaring. I am asking you to help me, please.

* I have been and am presently fighting a battle for glider operations
at Midway Regional (JWY) a Class E Airport. I have an appointment to
speak to the Director of the Southwest Region, Airports Division. He
is the person in charge of making a ruling on this matter. He has
requested that I bring an example of a Letter of Agreement between any
FSDO (Flight Standards District Office) and any operator having
surface operations on other than the hard surface runway. Glider
operations would be great, but balloon operations, ultralight, or
parachute operations would be wonderful as well. Anything, as long as
the ground operations are outside of the hard surface runway. I have
researched on my computer until my eyes are bad. Please help me. Think
of anywhere you know of where they are operating or staging within
250' of the runway. Do they have an LOA? Can we access that?

* I would not ask for your help if there was any other way. Please see
what you can find and help me with this. I am sorry to be asking for
this, but I am grateful for your help.

Yours,

Carol

Tampa Bay Soaring Society in Zephyrhills, Fl.

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wrote:

I'm posting this to see if we can help a friend. If you can please
drop her a line at WalkerCL at AOL.com


If you received this email from me then you are a friend to me and/or
a general aviation and soaring. I am asking you to help me, please.

I have been and am presently fighting a battle for glider operations
at Midway Regional (JWY) a Class E Airport. I have an appointment to
speak to the Director of the Southwest Region, Airports Division. He
is the person in charge of making a ruling on this matter. He has
requested that I bring an example of a Letter of Agreement between any
FSDO (Flight Standards District Office) and any operator having
surface operations on other than the hard surface runway. Glider
operations would be great, but balloon operations, ultralight, or
parachute operations would be wonderful as well. Anything, as long as
the ground operations are outside of the hard surface runway. I have
researched on my computer until my eyes are bad. Please help me. Think
of anywhere you know of where they are operating or staging within
250' of the runway. Do they have an LOA? Can we access that?

I would not ask for your help if there was any other way. Please see
what you can find and help me with this. I am sorry to be asking for
this, but I am grateful for your help.


Yours,

Carol

Southern Eagles at Lagrange, Georgia (LGC) flies off the grass parallel
to runway 21. The grass infield we fly from is over 500 feet wide, so we
can have over 250 separation.

I will ask the club officers for what we have regarding a operating
agreement with the airport and forward that to Ms. Walker.

WB

Thanks for everyone's help.
Don


On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:13:59 -0500, Berry wrote:

Southern Eagles at Lagrange, Georgia (LGC) flies off the grass parallel
to runway 21. The grass infield we fly from is over 500 feet wide, so we
can have over 250 separation.

I will ask the club officers for what we have regarding a operating
agreement with the airport and forward that to Ms. Walker.

WB

I just checked and there's nothing in the LaGrange LOA specific to
grass operations. Of course one current airport board member and two
past members fly their airplanes off the grass!

Charlie


Southern Eagles at Lagrange, Georgia (LGC) flies off the grass parallel
to runway 21. The grass infield we fly from is over 500 feet wide, so we
can have over 250 separation.

I will ask the club officers for what we have regarding a operating
agreement with the airport and forward that to Ms. Walker.

WB- Hide quoted text -

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I do not believe that FSDO would get involved in this manner.
It is more an agreement or arrangement between the airport operator (local
civil owner) and the club.

The FSDO "might" have some papers between them and that airport owner /
operator.

There are clubs in the Northeast that operate on grass next to a paved
runway but I do not know the distances involved, surely it is less than
250ft.

I find it interesting that you refer to the airport as a Class E airport.
Are you referring to the "airspace designation" over the airport? I see
where JWY is actually in Class G airspace with Class E beginning (proposed
altitude at 700ft AGL) above the airport. There is a proposal to change the
Class E airspace configuration to accommodate new SIAP into the airport. But
the airport itself still remains in Class B airspace.

Is the airport manager attempting to restrict your operations at the
airport?
Is there any reason you cannot operate from the paved surface?
Local powered traffic too busy to accommodate a launch or recovery?
Can you land on pavement and roll clear into the grass?

BT

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I'm posting this to see if we can help a friend. If you can please
drop her a line at WalkerCL at AOL.com


If you received this email from me then you are a friend to me and/or
a general aviation and soaring. I am asking you to help me, please.

I have been and am presently fighting a battle for glider operations
at Midway Regional (JWY) a Class E Airport. I have an appointment to
speak to the Director of the Southwest Region, Airports Division. He
is the person in charge of making a ruling on this matter. He has
requested that I bring an example of a Letter of Agreement between any
FSDO (Flight Standards District Office) and any operator having
surface operations on other than the hard surface runway. Glider
operations would be great, but balloon operations, ultralight, or
parachute operations would be wonderful as well. Anything, as long as
the ground operations are outside of the hard surface runway. I have
researched on my computer until my eyes are bad. Please help me. Think
of anywhere you know of where they are operating or staging within
250' of the runway. Do they have an LOA? Can we access that?

I would not ask for your help if there was any other way. Please see
what you can find and help me with this. I am sorry to be asking for
this, but I am grateful for your help.


Yours,

Carol

You might want to see the official filed airport master plan (FSDO may
have a copy) On some the area adjacent to a hard surface runway is
labeled "Glider Operations" - If so, then that would overcome most
objections. I have seen this on two fields.