revised FAA Order 5190.6B

This came in by email this evening.
Anybody heard anything about it?
R



Under new FAA rules, general aviation is about to undergo massive changes, none
for the good, apparently.

The FAA Airports Division issued a revised FAA Order 5190.6B, Airport Compliance
Manual recently, that, as EAA described it, caught "just about every one off guard."

Not only that it went from 94 to 691 pages of new rules and regulations, and it
makes major changes that will affect several aspects of general aviation. Here
are some of the more controversial ones:

1) No more autofuel may be used in aircraft.
2) Light Sport Aircraft that can be trailered, and owners/operators of
recreational aircraft such as powered parachutes, weight-shift- control and
gyroplanes will be denied access to airports.
3) Permanent or long-term living quarters on airports, part-time or secondary
residences, and developments known as residential hangars, hangar homes,
campgrounds, fly-in communities and airpark developments - even when collocated
with an aviation hangar or aeronautical facility, will not be permitted on
publically funded airports.
4) The new manual failed to clarify the issue of providing reduced fair-market
hangar rent for not-for-profit 501c(3) tax-exempt EAA chapters, whose community
activities provide positive tangible benefits to their airports.

AUTO GAS
The item banning auto gas, EAA said, will affect 100,000+ airplanes that use car
gas in their engines under FAA STC's.

"Autofuel was not recognized as an authorized aviation fuel, nor does it suggest
that airports take actions to install self-service, ethanol-free premium grade
autogas pumps to support the 100,000+ aircraft that use autogas as their
primary, FAA-approved aviation fuel," the EAA noted.

"EAA has successfully worked with the FAA Airports Division for several years in
resolving this issue," the organization said.

TRAILERABLE AIRCRAFT BAN
The banning of trailerable Light Sport Aircraft, powered parachutes,
weight-shift- control and gyroplanes was recognized as an activity not permitted
because of the FAA's through-the- fence (TTF) prohibitions, EAA said.

With the on-going development of special light-sport aircraft as recreational
aircraft, including the roadable aircraft, this issue needed to be resolved, but
wasn't, EAA said. It would seem to mean the new Terrafugia flying car wouldn't
be allowed to drive on the airport and fly off the runway.

AIRPORT PROPERTY
The FAA's regulation saying it considers permanent or long-term living quarters
on airport, part-time or secondary residences, and developments known as
residential hangars, hangar homes, campgrounds, fly-in communities and airpark
developments incompatible - when collocated with an aviation hangar or
aeronautical facility - may be one of the biggest changes of all.

There re dozens, perhaps hundreds, of such fly-in communities around the
country, most associated with publicly funded (meaning FAA money) airports.

The two leading general aviation organizations, EAA and AOPA, are examining the
new manual for areas that need to be improved or clarified, an EAA spokesman said.

"They will then work with the FAA Airports Division to address the problem
areas," the pilots' group said. When we put questions to EAA about their
response to the new regulations, this is the answer we got:
Live-In Airparks

"As for residential airparks and the like, the early answer is: depends.
Residential airparks on private airfields, or public airports that do not
receive FAA funding, are not affected by the policy.

"If it's a local public airport that receives FAA improvement funds, though,
such residential developments would be affected. Whether existing developments
are grandfathered in the policy is still a gray area.

"Many of the current arrangements are also under local jurisdiction and review
whether or not the FAA policy had changed. As it appears now, aircraft
parking/camping at aviation events such as Oshkosh is not covered by the new policy.
Camping

"The term 'campgrounds' indicates a permanently based campground at an airport
instead of a temporary parking situation, which one finds at Oshkosh and other
fly-ins." Permanent campgrounds on airports seemingly are banned.

Asked if there specific concerns, the EAA's public relations said definitely.

"Yes. In addition, one of EAA's biggest objections is that the FAA policy was
issued without public comment, and it did change the long-standing policy of
permitting residential uses after evaluating the use, the economic return to the
airport, and the management of unauthorized airport access/security issues. It
was, in effect, establishing a rule by policy without proper public comment and
input."

However, he cautioned, "let's not run screaming off the bridge quite yet. This
is why EAA is asking for feedback from pilots and people in through-the- fence
situations, so there is solid background and evidence to present to FAA."

Another change that came as a surprise, that came by word of mouth only
(though I have updated my address information within the last three
months on the FAA website) is the change to pilot licenses: paper
certificates are being replaced by (credit-card style) plastic.
It doesn't count that I laminated mine, years ago...

Fortunately, for most pilots, its just a matter of paying $2 and
filling the online form.

But, if you happen to be flying on a license granted on the strength of
your Australian or British licence, then you have a real treat in store.

This may include an appearance at an FSDO to check if you can speak and
write English, a requirement to apply to your original CAA to verify you
really DO have a license, another visit to an FSDO to work the magic
changeover - but your paper certificate expires end March, and
application lead times are at least 90 days, apparently.

So you will need a temporary authorization......

Brian W

cavelamb wrote:
This came in by email this evening.
Anybody heard anything about it?
R



Under new FAA rules, general aviation is about to undergo massive
changes, none for the good, apparently.

The FAA Airports Division issued a revised FAA Order 5190.6B, Airport
Compliance Manual recently, that, as EAA described it, caught "just
about every one off guard."

Not only that it went from 94 to 691 pages of new rules and regulations,
and it makes major changes that will affect several aspects of general
aviation. Here are some of the more controversial ones:

1) No more autofuel may be used in aircraft.
2) Light Sport Aircraft that can be trailered, and owners/operators of
recreational aircraft such as powered parachutes, weight-shift- control
and gyroplanes will be denied access to airports.
3) Permanent or long-term living quarters on airports, part-time or
secondary residences, and developments known as residential hangars,
hangar homes, campgrounds, fly-in communities and airpark developments -
even when collocated with an aviation hangar or aeronautical facility,
will not be permitted on publically funded airports.

You can recavelamb wrote:
This came in by email this evening.
Anybody heard anything about it?
R





You can read the entire order at:

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...er/5190_6b.pdf

On Jan 10, 9:33*am, brian whatcott wrote:
Another change that came as a surprise, that came by word of mouth only
(though I have updated my address information within the last three
months on the FAA website) *is the change to pilot licenses: paper
certificates are being replaced by (credit-card style) plastic.
It doesn't count that I laminated mine, years ago...

Fortunately, for most pilots, its just a matter of paying $2 and
filling the online form.

But, if you happen to be flying on a license granted on the strength of
your Australian or British licence, then you have a real treat in store.

This may include an appearance at an FSDO to check if you can speak and
write English, a requirement to apply to your original CAA to verify you
really DO have a license, another visit to an FSDO to work the magic
changeover - but your paper certificate expires end March, and
application lead times are at least 90 days, apparently.

So you will need a temporary authorization......

Brian W



cavelamb wrote:
This came in by email this evening.
Anybody heard anything about it?
R

Under new FAA rules, general aviation is about to undergo massive
changes, none for the good, apparently.

The FAA Airports Division issued a revised FAA Order 5190.6B, Airport
Compliance Manual recently, that, as EAA described it, caught "just
about every one off guard."

Not only that it went from 94 to 691 pages of new rules and regulations,
and it makes major changes that will affect several aspects of general
aviation. Here are some of the more controversial ones:

1) No more autofuel may be used in aircraft.
2) Light Sport Aircraft that can be trailered, and owners/operators of
recreational aircraft such as powered parachutes, weight-shift- control
and gyroplanes will be denied access to airports.
3) Permanent or long-term living quarters on airports, part-time or
secondary residences, and developments known as residential hangars,
hangar homes, campgrounds, fly-in communities and airpark developments -
even when collocated with an aviation hangar or aeronautical facility,
will not be permitted on publically funded airports.

Not to mention the fact that if you have a paper license with the
obsolete 'Aerotow' (and presumably 'Winch') ratings, you can't use the
automated procedure on the website. You must call the FAA Airman
Certificate Office at (866) 878-2498, wait until you get to an actual
human, and have them remove the rating(s) from your record. Then you
can go through the web process, pay your $2.00 via credit card, and
get your plastic certificate.

TA

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:33:38 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:

Another change that came as a surprise,

Nothing suprises me. For instance, While there
were some Minor structural mishaps on several
of the Zodiac light sport planes,
I gotta say the jury is still out for me.
Then I am different than Usenet pilots..I am
a Renaissance Man. I'm still attempting things
people think are impossible. I'm a dichotomy,
shoot em dead brainbell jangler, a soft diamond,
a militaristic saint, and always a very wise fool...
If anything I'm a Zena...
--
Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/
scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane.
And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine.
My website http://www.hosanna1.com/

Information provided in this posting about changes to 5190.6B are not
entirely correct.

5190.6B does not prohibit the use of auto fuel in aircraft.
5190.6B does not restrict LSA, ultralight or trailerable aircraft to include
gliders from airport access.

Residential airport communities on or abutting public funded airports may
have "through the fence" access issues for security purposes. Also concerns
of public $$ funding "private use" airports raised by the new "redistribute
the wealth" president.

BT

"brian whatcott" wrote in message
...
Another change that came as a surprise, that came by word of mouth only
(though I have updated my address information within the last three months
on the FAA website) is the change to pilot licenses: paper certificates
are being replaced by (credit-card style) plastic.
It doesn't count that I laminated mine, years ago...

Fortunately, for most pilots, its just a matter of paying $2 and
filling the online form.

But, if you happen to be flying on a license granted on the strength of
your Australian or British licence, then you have a real treat in store.

This may include an appearance at an FSDO to check if you can speak and
write English, a requirement to apply to your original CAA to verify you
really DO have a license, another visit to an FSDO to work the magic
changeover - but your paper certificate expires end March, and application
lead times are at least 90 days, apparently.

So you will need a temporary authorization......

Brian W

cavelamb wrote:
This came in by email this evening.
Anybody heard anything about it?
R



Under new FAA rules, general aviation is about to undergo massive
changes, none for the good, apparently.

The FAA Airports Division issued a revised FAA Order 5190.6B, Airport
Compliance Manual recently, that, as EAA described it, caught "just about
every one off guard."

Not only that it went from 94 to 691 pages of new rules and regulations,
and it makes major changes that will affect several aspects of general
aviation. Here are some of the more controversial ones:

1) No more autofuel may be used in aircraft.
2) Light Sport Aircraft that can be trailered, and owners/operators of
recreational aircraft such as powered parachutes, weight-shift- control
and gyroplanes will be denied access to airports.
3) Permanent or long-term living quarters on airports, part-time or
secondary residences, and developments known as residential hangars,
hangar homes, campgrounds, fly-in communities and airpark developments -
even when collocated with an aviation hangar or aeronautical facility,
will not be permitted on publically funded airports.

BT wrote:
Information provided in this posting about changes to 5190.6B are not
entirely correct.

5190.6B does not prohibit the use of auto fuel in aircraft.
5190.6B does not restrict LSA, ultralight or trailerable aircraft to include
gliders from airport access.

Residential airport communities on or abutting public funded airports may
have "through the fence" access issues for security purposes. Also concerns
of public $$ funding "private use" airports raised by the new "redistribute
the wealth" president.

BT


I didn't see anything like that either, but after the first three pages my brain
stopped working...

cavelamb wrote:


after the first three pages
my brain
stopped working...

Only 690-some to go

5190.6B does say that the airport managers do not have to supply auto fuel,
but they cannot stop an individual or a company from self fueling.. as long
as the standard accepted safety practices for the handling of fuel are in
place.

Hint.. don't push your airplane back into the hanger (T-Hanger) if you are
waiting on the fuel truck.
No fueling inside... leave it out.. then push it back with a full heavy fuel
load... you are ok in most instances under "shade hangers" because they are
open air with no sides.

And for those trailerable aircraft?
5190.6B does encourage the airport manager to charge for "airport use" the
same as he would charge someone a daily parking fee.
BT

"cavelamb" wrote in message
...
BT wrote:
Information provided in this posting about changes to 5190.6B are not
entirely correct.

5190.6B does not prohibit the use of auto fuel in aircraft.
5190.6B does not restrict LSA, ultralight or trailerable aircraft to
include gliders from airport access.

Residential airport communities on or abutting public funded airports may
have "through the fence" access issues for security purposes. Also
concerns of public $$ funding "private use" airports raised by the new
"redistribute the wealth" president.

BT


I didn't see anything like that either, but after the first three pages my
brain
stopped working...

cavelamb writes:

This came in by email this evening.
Anybody heard anything about it?

Sounds like an alphabet aviation group trying to scare its members for
more dollars. The federal bogeyman has replaced the commies under the
bed and the monsters in the closet.
--
I could dance with you till the cows come home, on second thought I'll
dance with the cows till you come home.
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