Personal flight computers

On Dec 9, 1:10*pm, Evan Ludeman wrote:
On Dec 9, 12:02*pm, "Dan Marotta" wrote:

Gotta admit that I haven't had the privilege of flying a ClearNav, but I
find XCSoar extremely easy to use and I'll bet that if I got a flight in a
glider with CN, I'd find it complex and confusing.

Naw, a five minute briefing on CN will get all the essentials. *It's
designed that way.

CN setup is less than 1/10 of what it takes to get XCSoar going. *No
exaggeration.

Power comes up a lot. *CN isn't as bad as some imagine. *400 mA is
typical average.

Evan Ludeman for CNi
For more CNi discussion, please see our forumhttp://www.clearnav.net

I fly with CN and Streak as a backup. Yes I have a moving map backup
to be able to avoid airspace violations if primary instrument fails.
In short CN is the easiest to use software available today. I still
have a wish list for some CN updates but even if they don't happen I
am still very happy with it. The Streak runs XCSoar and I must say
that with each XCSoar release I feel XCSoar is getting closer to how
CN functions e.g. task optimization, requiring less workload. I used
to use LK8000 but its task support was not as good as XCSoar. I feel
LK8000 is perfect for X-C flying but for contests there are other
choices. I also used WinPilot Pro in the past and I liked it but that
was years ago. I have never flown with SeeYou Mobile.

If I were to do it again:
1) Non competition flying I would buy in this order: Oudie with LK8000
followed by Streak with XCSoar
2) Competition flying: CN followed by Streak with XCSoar

One thing I find problematic with XCSoar is some very small fonts and
that is one of the reasons LK8000 is rated better for non-comp flying.

Now in regards to power use. My CN drained my batteries a couple of
times totally, and yes I found CN still works at 8.5 volts, . On one
battery I have 302, CN and a 2 year old Dittel radio (I don't talk
much). My battery lasted about 5 hours. Since then I am very careful
and I always use CN in PowerSave mode. On max brightness you need to
have good power supply. My next batteries will be the K2s so I can
feed the beast (I mean CN). Despite the power hungry CN I still think
it is the best unit for comp flying not so for pleasure.

On Dec 10, 7:18*pm, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
On Dec 9, 1:10*pm, Evan Ludeman wrote:









On Dec 9, 12:02*pm, "Dan Marotta" wrote:

Gotta admit that I haven't had the privilege of flying a ClearNav, but I
find XCSoar extremely easy to use and I'll bet that if I got a flight in a
glider with CN, I'd find it complex and confusing.

Naw, a five minute briefing on CN will get all the essentials. *It's
designed that way.

CN setup is less than 1/10 of what it takes to get XCSoar going. *No
exaggeration.

Power comes up a lot. *CN isn't as bad as some imagine. *400 mA is
typical average.

Evan Ludeman for CNi
For more CNi discussion, please see our forumhttp://www.clearnav.net

I fly with CN and Streak as a backup. Yes I have a moving map backup
to be able to avoid airspace violations if primary instrument fails.
In short CN is the easiest to use software available today. I still
have a wish list for some CN updates but even if they don't happen I
am still very happy with it. The Streak runs XCSoar and I must say
that with each XCSoar release I feel XCSoar is getting closer to how
CN functions e.g. task optimization, requiring less workload. I used
to use LK8000 but its task support was not as good as XCSoar. I feel
LK8000 is perfect for X-C flying but for contests there are other
choices. I also used WinPilot Pro in the past and I liked it but that
was years ago. I have never flown with SeeYou Mobile.

If I were to do it again:
1) Non competition flying I would buy in this order: Oudie with LK8000
followed by Streak with XCSoar
2) Competition flying: CN followed by Streak with XCSoar

One thing I find problematic with XCSoar is some very small fonts and
that is one of the reasons LK8000 is rated better for non-comp flying.

Now in regards to power use. My CN drained my batteries a couple of
times totally, and yes I found CN still works at 8.5 volts, . On one
battery I have 302, CN and a 2 year old Dittel radio (I don't talk
much). My battery lasted about 5 hours. Since then I am very careful
and I always use CN in PowerSave mode. On max brightness you need to
have good power supply. My next batteries will be the K2s so I can
feed the beast (I mean CN). Despite the power hungry CN I still think
it is the best unit for comp flying not so for pleasure.

By the way I have no experience with Ultimate hardware. It might be
another great choice. Seems very readable. I should have said I would
give it a good consideration next time around.

No need for confusion. Once you have stable software and hardware winning World Championships you don't want to change it other than carefully expanding its features.

Oudie 2 display is the best screen you can get for soaring. The tradeoff is that it can only be mounted on a Windows CE device. If the software does what one needs it is irrelevant what OS is running in the background imho.

By announcing that we are going to develop SeeYou Mobile also for Android and iOS devices we are by no means dropping the support for Windows CE! On the contrary. Oudie 2 is reliable and stable. Until there is a similar Android device and the software is running anywhere near as stable as it does on the Oudie 2 it will remain the recommended platform for SeeYou Mobile.

Can we expect hardware running Android in the future, with SeeYou Mobile on it?

A sunlight readable screen made by Samsung or LG would be best and most future-proof wouldn't it? If it doesn't happen let's just see what does. It's difficult to predict. Particularly the future.

Andrej Kolar
--
glider pilots use
http://www.Naviter.com


On Monday, December 10, 2012 6:01:50 PM UTC+1, Roel Baardman wrote:
Andrej Kolar wrote:

Oudie 2 and Oudie 2 Lite are the same hardware. They just come with differe

nt licenses.



Allow me to deviate from the main discussion a bit please.

I'm a bit confused that your hardware platforms are still aimed at Windows Mobile, while you recently announced Android software and a Android-enabled

roadmap for the future.

Can we expect hardware running Android in the future, with SeeYou Mobile on it?



Roel

Oudie 2 display is the best screen you can get for soaring.

Let me just slightly rephrase that. I should have added "on a mobile device". The screens from LX 9000, Craggy Ultimate etc are of course brighter but without touch panel and have to be mounted. Comparing those would be comparing apples to oranges.

A comment or two on the "build your own system for cheap" versus
"buying a turnkey system".

Yes, the free software is pretty darned good these days. There are
PNA's that you can purchase for little cost. However, there are those
that don't want to fool with all that - even though it is relatively
easy to do. Analogy - I like to install/repair everything at my home
(except for roofs) but most people do not.

So there is a place for the Naviter and other fully turnkey systems.
Some just want to plunk down their money and have the finished product
in their hands. Basically paying someone else to build the system for
them.

There is a third choice - the system integrators. Wasn't there a
group that was selling complete PNA+FreeSoftware systems fully
configured? They seemed to have disappeared - I suppose because there
wasn't a large enough market?

No matter what there is still the issue of getting it installed in
your glider, mounting, power, etc. And even that is intimidating to
some.

So there is room for every flavor of glider driver.

- John "Techie" DeRosa

At 22:42 12 December 2012, JohnDeRosa wrote:
There is a third choice - the system integrators. Wasn't there a
group that was selling complete PNA+FreeSoftware systems fully
configured? They seemed to have disappeared - I suppose because there
wasn't a large enough market?

Gliderguider are going strong.
http://www.gliderguider.net/products.htm

PNA+Software configured as requested.
Annual update options available.
Custom Cable options available.
Custom electrical/electronic consultancy/design if required.

Not affiliated - just a happy customer.

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I have a supply of MIO's. $125 plus shipping and I will provide a MIO, suction mount, 12v cable and fully functioning LK8000 with maps and turn points of your choosing. Lanebush at bellsouth dot net.

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