GW Bu$h's Torture Chambers and Rape rooms ...!

On Sun, 02 May 2004 11:59:25 GMT, Ken Smith wrote:
YP's right -- you really haven't. CBS News did a piece on him. So
did the Time and the Post. Caused quite a flap, iirc. Even Chretien
protested.


I found it originally on CBS + CNN. But they don't have unlimited
browsing of past articles so I couldn't dig it up again.

On Sun, 02 May 2004 11:24:47 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:
Interestingly I can't find anything from Amerikan sources.

Then you haven't actually looked.


Keep your head in the sand. It's safer.

"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 May 2004 11:24:47 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:
Interestingly I can't find anything from Amerikan sources.

Then you haven't actually looked.


Keep your head in the sand. It's safer.

You're the one that made a false claim, dudley. The information was readily
available.

"Yardpilot" wrote in message news:3_Bkc.1303$_41.52280@attbi_s02...

Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

It's not not good.

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.

That's rotten leadership from the top down.

Two POWs in Afghanistan were beaten to death while in US custody.
The deaths were officially ruled to be homicides. That was two
years ago and the DOD remains silent on the 'investigation'.
There were reports of two other incidents in Afghanistan in which
Civilian Prisoners were beaten by US troops, again, no word from
the Pentagon.

The difference between those incidents and the instant case is
photographs.

If the photographs of My Lai hadn't been published do you really
think Calley would ever have been prosecuted?

I'm sure the overwhelming majority of our troops in the field
are good men and women and would not take part in such crimes.
Their leaders have let them down by condoning and encouraging
incidents such as these.

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FF

"Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52...
"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind
posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you?

Jesus Christ! Do you ever read a newspaper?

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FF

"Scott" wrote in message ...
"joe parkin" wrote in message
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The document purporting to show that Saddam was trying to obtain uranium
from Nigeria came from the US - presumably the CIA. It was full of
elementary blunders - an easily detected forgery.

They (a colleciton of documents, not just one) weren't written
by the CIA. They were written by an employee of the Embassy of
Niger in Italy who sold them to the Itallian government who
turned them ofer to the British Government who turned them
over to the US Government and I have never heard that any-
one in any intelligence agency ever thought there even a
remote chance that they were genuine.

Which kinda makes you wonder why the US government turned them
over to the IAEA. Persons within US intelligence who actually
were familiar wiht them HAD to know the IAEA would realize
they were false. One wonders if there are persons in US
intelligence who wanted the truth to come out.

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FF

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
news:3_Bkc.1303$_41.52280@attbi_s02...

Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can
get away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone
or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

It's not not good.

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.


Not by accepted definitions of torture.

-*MORT*-

"- DefaultUser" wrote in message ...

Like they did when those U.S. Flyboys ignored orders and murdered
Canadian troops in Afghanistan?


Murder, in this context, implies an intent to kill the Canadian
troops. I daresay there was never even any suspician of
murder, nor grounds for it.

Would you car to bring us up to date on the current disposition
of this incident?

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FF

(Fred the Red Shirt) wrote in
om:

Do you ever read a newspaper?

The Birkenstock Times in your case.

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"It's obvious to me that this country is rapidly dividing itself into
two camps - the wimps and the warriors. The ones who want to argue
and assess and appease, and the ones who want to carry this fight to
our enemies and kill them before they kill us."
--The Hon. Zell Miller

Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
"- DefaultUser" wrote in message
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Like they did when those U.S. Flyboys ignored orders and murdered
Canadian troops in Afghanistan?


Murder, in this context, implies an intent to kill the Canadian
troops. I daresay there was never even any suspician of
murder, nor grounds for it.

Would you car to bring us up to date on the current disposition
of this incident?

There were four Canadians killed in the incident, and 8 more wounded. As best
as I can remember, an Article 92 hearing (the military equivalent of a grand
jury) was held but did not recommend courts-martial action against the two
pilots involved. The older of the two American pilots was given non-judicial
punishment (Article 15) and then permitted to apply for retirement. The other
pilot also received non-judicial punishment and was referred to a Flying
Evaluation Board to consider whether or not he was fit to continue with his
flying duties; I don't recall what the outcome of that was.

One of the four Canadian families of the victims filed suit against the US
government for damages. I don't know the disposition of that lawsuit, but if
anyone wanted my advice, it'd be to settle up as quickly and quietly as
possible.

If I've got anything wrong, please feel free to correct me. I'm not absolutely
sure that it's all completely accurate.

George Z.