US Troops using AK-47s

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Rob

"Some complain that standard U.S. military M16 and M4 rifles jam too easily in
Iraq's dusty environment. Many say the AK has better "knockdown" power and can
kill with fewer shots."

I think pretty much *everyone* says a 7.62 has better "knockdown" power than
5.56.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

(BUFDRVR) wrote:

I think pretty much *everyone* says a 7.62 has better "knockdown" power than
5.56.

Certainly true for M14s. I'll take 180 grains at 2800 fps over 55 at 3200 any
day. (unless you want to eat the rabbit).

-- Charlie Springer

(BUFDRVR) quoted:

"Some complain that standard U.S. military M16 and M4 rifles jam too easily in
Iraq's dusty environment. "

Ancedotal, but friends back from Afghanistan said they worked
fine in the apalling cement-like dust there.

"M4 with a Master Key" was their favorite. I'm a little
unclear on whether the Master Key is a 40mm or shotgun attachment, but
they used it for room entries.

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:58:31 +0000, John S. Shinal wrote:

(BUFDRVR) quoted:

"Some complain that standard U.S. military M16 and M4 rifles jam too easily in
Iraq's dusty environment. "

Ancedotal, but friends back from Afghanistan said they worked
fine in the apalling cement-like dust there.

"M4 with a Master Key" was their favorite. I'm a little
unclear on whether the Master Key is a 40mm or shotgun attachment, but
they used it for room entries.

I believe its a shotgun attachmment firing a solid round.
There's a term for these things but I don't recall it.
Police forces usually employ a separate shotgun for door
breaching work if they think a battering ram won't do it.

IBM


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The AK fires the 7.62mm x 39 which is much less powerful that the 7.62mm x
51 used in the M14.

"Regnirps" wrote in message
...
(BUFDRVR) wrote:

I think pretty much *everyone* says a 7.62 has better "knockdown" power
than
5.56.

Certainly true for M14s. I'll take 180 grains at 2800 fps over 55 at 3200
any
day. (unless you want to eat the rabbit).

-- Charlie Springer

"Bill Phillips" wrote:

The AK fires the 7.62mm x 39 which is much less powerful that the 7.62mm x
51 used in the M14.

Lets rank them by momentum (in oddball units but it doesn't matter for
comparison).

..223 55gr at 3,100 fps -- 170,500
7.62x39 125gr at 2,200 fps -- 275,000 ( 1.6 times the .22)
..308 150gr at 2,800 fps -- 420,000 ( 2.46 times the .22 and 1.53 times the
Russian)

I'll take the M14 any day, but I practive with one a lot (and I picked the high
end. I have seen some NATO ball ammo at 2,300). Assuming they won't let you
have one, which of the other two do you pick?

-- Charlie Springer

John S. Shinal wrote;

(BUFDRVR) quoted:

"Some complain that standard U.S. military M16 and M4 rifles jam too easily
in
Iraq's dusty environment. "

Not my quote.

Ancedotal, but friends back from Afghanistan said they worked
fine in the apalling cement-like dust there.

I've heard the same thing.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Bill Phillips wrote:

The AK fires the 7.62mm x 39 which is much less powerful that the 7.62mm x
51 used in the M14.

OK, I've never understood the x 39 or x 51. What do these numbers refer to?

So as not to get hit for a non-aviation post; what color is your favorite
aircraft?




BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

In article ,
on 20 Jul 2004 02:26:43 GMT,
BUFDRVR attempted to say .....

Bill Phillips wrote:

The AK fires the 7.62mm x 39 which is much less powerful that the 7.62mm x
51 used in the M14.

OK, I've never understood the x 39 or x 51. What do these numbers refer to?

Case length


So as not to get hit for a non-aviation post; what color is your favorite
aircraft?

air superiority blue


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