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Peter wrote:
The other day I was talking to a commercial pilot of a big twin passenger turboprop. He has been iced up a few times and recently was down to 200fpm climbing flat out through FL150; looking out of the window he saw a bit of ice on the wings but enough on the prop for it to be visible while the prop was rotating. He has rubber boots, and the props are electrically heated. Now, I know a bit about mach heating and I can work out the temperature rise over SAT (i.e. the TAT) using the Jepp CR-5 circular slide rule. At 200kt IAS at FL150 his airframe temperature should be SAT+9C. At 300kt TAS the TAT should be SAT+12C which nearly puts him out of the stratiform cloud icing range of 0C to -15C or so. So he can get ice on the airframe especially in slow flight, and especially if there are local mach numbers where the airflow slows down. What puzzles me is the prop. Assuming a SOP of max revs if icing is likely, much of the prop is going at between mach 0.5 and mach 0.8, with a temp rise of 15C to 30C, so even on a slow piston aircraft only the innermost part should ever ice up. Is this true? I haven't been able to test this myself because I have a TKS de-iced prop (TB20) and always have the deicing on if in IMC below 0C. I've had up to 1cm of ice on the wings but never noticed any performance drop so presumably the prop was doing OK. Peter. Well, I certainly have a lot of experience with ice...I flew the Argus for 8 years. Almost all of that time was spent below 1000 feet over the North Atlantic, summer and winter. The Argus is a four engined ASW a/c (big piston engines) and spends most of it's life below 200 kts, down to about 160 knots for anywhere from 18 to 26 hours at a crack. You can believe that we've come across some fearful icing conditions. The airframe has a formidable anti and deicing arsenal...each wing has it's own 600 BTU gasoline fired heater and the tail also has one. A 200 BTU heater is supplied for cabin heating. the props are electrically deiced and various intakes have matt electrical heating pads. The engine carburetors have hot air 'Carb heat' manually selected for anti-icing. I've seen upwards of a foot of an ice 'pipe' build up on the carb air intakes until vibration or an attitude change dislodges it. The prop deicing cycles and quite regularly you can hear chunks of ice hitting the 'ice shields' on the fuselage opposite the inboard engines. I've seen the odd amount of ice collect on the prop blade root cuffs inboard of the heated portions but not much...we certainly didn't worry too much about ice...didn't increase RPM to fight it for sure...if it got really bad we might climb above it if it was convenient...the racket that it made clattering on the fuselage would keep the younger crewmembers who were off duty from sleeping sometimes... ![]() -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) |
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