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TRUTH wrote:
Dan wrote in news lgLf.22321$Ug4.11952@dukeread12:TRUTH wrote: His arguments are based on scientific principles. They do not have to be convincing, Then forgive us for not being convinced. since scientific laws cannot be changed, such as the Law of Increasing Entropy. Entropy applies here how? Are you an engineer or physicist? No. Are you? Evasion noted. How do explain THREE collapses at near free fall speed? First time in history from fire! There weren't any collapses at near free fall speed. They were considerably slower. Wrong. Towers collapsed in 10 seconds maximum. Building 7 was about 7 seconds. Do the math, the formula is D = 16T^2 Where did the energy come from to pulvarize concrete and office furniture into particles of fine powder? The mass of the floors above. The formula is F = MA. Look it up. Absurd and illogical. You cannot simply take a formula and plug the information in and expect an accurate answer. That's precisely what formulae are for. I assume you took some math and science in school. What do you think they were trying to teach you? Actually using simple formulae is exactly how it's done. It's done repeatedly or plugged into another formula or both. Calculus simplifies this, computers make it even easier. No matter how big the equation is it is made up of smaller parts that can be worked into or out of the picture. You have repeatedly told us you have no science background so don't tell us who do how it is done. What is "absurd and illogical" is your insisting you know better when you also say you don't. Did you know Ke (kinetic energy)= 1/2mv^2 is an application of F = ma? Buildings NEVER collapsed in that manner before, EXCEPT from controlled demolitions. The 21 story Mexico City building did. No matter how many times you try to ignore it it did collapse that way. I haven't looked at every single building collapse in history, neither have you, so I can't say there are other examples or not. Where did the force come to *evaporate* steel? Heat alone can do that. Metal DOES boil and become a gas at high enough temperatures. Desiel fuel burns no where near hot enough to melt steel. So, I repeat: Where did the force come to *evaporate* steel? Jet fuel is NOT diesel. It is closer to kerosene. What keeps jet engines from melting is selection of materials and bypass air. Jet fuel CAN burn steel given enough oxygen and that's what happened. It is more than apparent you don't know what "force" means since you don't use it correctly here. Why was there moltel metal and yellow-hot metal under the Towers (AND BUILDING 7) weeks after 9/11? (Those colors are consistant with thermite explosives.) Wrong again, I have used thermite and it burns white hot and not for weeks. Thermite burns at too slow a rate to be used for demolition of tall buildings. There were fires from broken gas lines. Yellow hot steel is no where near "molten." Forgive me, I gave the wrong color. (Jones paper gives the right information though.) Perhaps you can explain where the energy came from to cause steel (or iron) to get that hot. I will say it again: there were fires from broken gas lines. Remember how NYFD had to put them out before major excavation could begin? Also, why did the government hall away and destroy the evidence before it could be properly analyzed? I assume you mean "haul," now prove they did. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Oh, thank you for correcting my poor spelling. Here's your proof: BILL MANNING EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, FIRE ENGINEERING MAGAZINE: "$elling Out The Investigation" article quotes: "Such destruction of evidence shows the astounding ignorance of government officials to the value of a thorough, scientific investigation of the largest fire-induced collapse in world history." "Based on the incident's magnitude alone, a full-throttle, fully resourced, forensic investigation is imperative" "The federal government must scrap the current setup and commission a fully resourced blue ribbon panel to conduct a clean and thorough investigation of the fire and collapse, leaving no stones unturned." full article: http://tinyurl.com/3h5mk The article you cite is flat out wrong as is your suggestion the salvage was deliberately destroyed before being properly analyzed. The salvage was taken to Fresh Kills where each piece was forensically examined before a decision was made to release or not. There is not enough space nor requirement to keep every piece so that which has no probative value was sold off. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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