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On Jun 19, 4:31 am, "BlueCumulus"  wrote: 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
		 
		
	
	
	Do you need a better reference? Look up reference in a dictionary, then come back and give us one. Quite apart from that though Bill is absolutely right. The older German manufacturers are being left behind by other companies across the board. It's not suprising nor unusual that people try and rubbish threats to their favourite brands. Dan  | 
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